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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's pretty much the law here....but not how it all played out in the stereo case. It was pretty surprising.

    Here's an article I found on it. It was a stereo speaker, not stereo. It explains the circumstances that obviously the charging court and the jury took into consideration.

    A year later, man charged in deadly car prowler shooting | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

    He said he only meant to scare or wound.

    He was charged with manslaughter (I'm not positive that was the final charge) but he got off with time served.

    Still a pretty surprising outcome IMO.
    It is. The guy's comment that he only meant to wound or scare tells me he wasn't all that worried - completely aside from the point shooting to sound is pure stupidity.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The Untied States military cannot use auto-fire on US civilians unless Martial Law is declared, or in the case of state police - they can't use auto unless they have reasonable suspicion/cause that it may be used against them (pretty much self defense).
    Please quote the law or FM.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Im going on what the JAG said. Obvioisly a device to restrict automatic fire exists for a reason.
    Yes, a reason, but Im trying to discover the range and scope of that reason.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    It seems to me that we now have a Ferguson police force which is too afraid of returning to patrol the neighbourhood during the dark hours and after having been publically spat upon by the whole community.

    If anything, they are going to want 4 officers to each cruiser as a safety measure, or they will just refuse to patrol during the night just like what is happening in other large areas of cities across America. For sure, there are going to be a lot of these officers go on sick pay.

    The local politicians can't act and just fire them all or transfer them all to other cities because they will look weak and/or the police will react with leaked secrets of these politicians. Nothing happens with a politician which the "security state" apparatus does not know.

    That is why the Federal Government is stepping in.

    Federal Agents will interview everybody and their dog to find some evidence of "improper" police activity on every officer possible, and then use this to encourage each police officer to seek work elsewhere or pay the cost in legal fees and harassment. Even if found not guilty, the cost to the officer is huge.

    The Federal Government will produce an "insider" or an informant.

    The main effort is to replace this police force with new faces.

    Change only the faces ..... the methods and rules remain the same. There is no need to make changes to the System because it was crafted and approved by our God, and is just perfect the way it is.

    And "Can We Just Move On"?

    Justice is never done ..... it must only appear to be done.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, a reason, but Im trying to discover the range and scope of that reason.
    Th prevent soldiers from using rock-n-roll on American citizens.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Th prevent soldiers from using rock-n-roll on American citizens.
    FM 100-19 appears to be the relevant refrence for domestic operations, with special attention to chapter 3. I was unable to find any rules on the use of force within this FM, however. What material resource were you using at the time?

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    FM 100-19 appears to be the relevant refrence for domestic operations, with special attention to chapter 3. I was unable to find any rules on the use of force within this FM, however. What material resource were you using at the time?
    NGR 500, section 4-6, paragraph (2)
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Th prevent soldiers from using rock-n-roll on American citizens.
    ATP 3-39.33 is the most recent publication spicific to counter-riot operations. In it's escalation-of-force guidance it does not state a need for the aforementioned blocks.

    The best I can guess at this point is that the use of those blocks in your rifles was the Comander's discretion while making the use-of-force matrix for that operation. You would have gon to jail not for using an assult-rifle without a block, but for acting outside of the comander's use-of-force matrix.

    It stands to reason that if civilians cannot be shot with select-fire weapons, that police would not be allowed to have those weapons in their inventory at all.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ATP 3-39.33 is the most recent publication spicific to counter-riot operations. In it's escalation-of-force guidance it does not state a need for the aforementioned blocks.

    The best I can guess at this point is that the use of those blocks in your rifles was the Comander's discretion while making the use-of-force matrix for that operation. You would have gon to jail not for using an assult-rifle without a block, but for acting outside of the comander's use-of-force matrix.

    It stands to reason that if civilians cannot be shot with select-fire weapons, that police would not be allowed to have those weapons in their inventory at all.
    According to NGR 500, only the state AG has that descretion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ATP 3-39.33 is the most recent publication spicific to counter-riot operations. In it's escalation-of-force guidance it does not state a need for the aforementioned blocks.

    The best I can guess at this point is that the use of those blocks in your rifles was the Comander's discretion while making the use-of-force matrix for that operation. You would have gon to jail not for using an assult-rifle without a block, but for acting outside of the comander's use-of-force matrix.

    It stands to reason that if civilians cannot be shot with select-fire weapons, that police would not be allowed to have those weapons in their inventory at all.
    Interesting. Thanks for researching it Jerry. And in any case the military rules would not be binding on civilian police. I did speak to my brother - a retired NYPD Seargent. He wasn't ESU (that's NYPD's SWAT team) and retired before the big push to get military gear to police agencies but did tell me that back in his day ESU did in fact have access to fully automatic weapons. They didn't break them out often but they were in their inventory.
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