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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

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    We're looking for the exact field manual or law. A link would be nice.
    The Untied States military cannot use auto-fire on US civilians unless Martial Law is declared, or in the case of state police - they can't use auto unless they have reasonable suspicion/cause that it may be used against them (pretty much self defense).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, stealing is risky. Do thieves place the value of what they're stealing above their lives? Well, they're pretty quick to drop it and run when the occasion calls for it.

    Now, that stereo...did the life of the owner and his family depend on that stereo? Really? When someone is stealing such a piece of equipment, is it really your contention that it's OK to kill them to protect the stereo, and yet you're not placing the value of property over the value of life?

    The stereo owner who shot the thief in the back must value the stereo more than freedom, as he is extremely lucky not to have been thrown in jail for a very long time on a second degree murder charge. Shooting people in the back while they're running away is not justifiable homicide anywhere in the USA.

    But, it might be acceptable in Iran, I'm not sure.
    I dont know how the stereo owner felt about his property and you certainly dont know how thieves feel about their lives...you are assuming (incorrectly) that many/most drop stuff? My claim is based on the FACT that they choose to risk their lives for property.

    I would not shoot someone for a stereo but obviously the law, even in a liberal area, recognizes a person's right to protect their property using lethal force.

    So you keep trying to be all judgemental here, but it seems baseless. It is your opinion. Cool. And you get to live accordingly. No one is forcing you to kill people who take your stuff. But aside from the judgementalism, do you have a point?
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The cops are the real criminals - they're a bunch of yahoos, and I have seen their tyranny and laziness first hand.... Hell, my dad just won $150,000 in a lawsuit because the storm troopers invaded his home without a warrant and tased him for no damn reason (oh and it's also a viral video to boot)...

    I have no respect for those tyrannical monsters, I wont even talk to them.

    Anyone who refers to others as "bad guys" either has the mentality of a child or has some sort of complex....
    I'm glad that your father held them accountable and won. What was the punishment for the officers?

    Your blanket assessments about cops are very wrong however. Most cops are nothing like that and dont act like that, nor desire to.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    I would not shoot someone for a stereo but obviously the law, even in a liberal area, recognizes a person's right to protect their property using lethal force.
    Not in NY. If I shot someone and told the police I did it to stop him from swiping my stereo I'd be staring at a murder 2 charge. lethal force can only be used in defense of life. If someone breaks into my home I have to shoot him because I reasonably believed my life was in danger, not because he's taking my property.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Not in NY. If I shot someone and told the police I did it to stop him from swiping my stereo I'd be staring at a murder 2 charge. lethal force can only be used in defense of life. If someone breaks into my home I have to shoot him because I reasonably believed my life was in danger, not because he's taking my property.
    That's pretty much the law here....but not how it all played out in the stereo case. It was pretty surprising.

    Here's an article I found on it. It was a stereo speaker, not stereo. It explains the circumstances that obviously the charging court and the jury took into consideration.

    A year later, man charged in deadly car prowler shooting | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

    He said he only meant to scare or wound.

    He was charged with manslaughter (I'm not positive that was the final charge) but he got off with time served.

    Still a pretty surprising outcome IMO.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Gaius, is any action, in New York state, taken to prevent theft a violation of law? Could there be double indictments? One for prevention of theft and the other for theft?
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm glad that your father held them accountable and won. What was the punishment for the officers?

    Your blanket assessments about cops are very wrong however. Most cops are nothing like that and dont act like that, nor desire to.
    The bitch that tased my dad had her taser taken away and was placed on desk duty and the rest of the "officers" were also placed on desk duty indefinitely - they're no longer on the streets and they won't be doing anymore tactical work anytime soon.

    BTW, the mentally disabled female cop that shot my dad was a rookie and shot 4 more people after him in a span of 6 months - she is is big trouble.

    There is also a confidentiality agreement - but I'm not part of it so I can talk and say and post what I want.

    I just saw what I saw...
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Gaius, is any action, in New York state, taken to prevent theft a violation of law? Could there be double indictments? One for prevention of theft and the other for theft?
    The New York use of force statutes give justifications only for self defense; not for defense of property. That's not to say that you can't try to detain someone who's stealing your stuff but if things get out of control who knows what might happen afterward. SOP in the city seems to be to arrest people even in legitimate use of force situations and let the judge figure it out.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The bitch that tased my dad had her taser taken away and was placed on desk duty and the rest of the "officers" were also placed on desk duty indefinitely - they're no longer on the streets and they won't be doing anymore tactical work anytime soon.

    BTW, the mentally disabled female cop that shot my dad was a rookie and shot 4 more people after him in a span of 6 months - she is is big trouble.
    I"m really sorry for your dad. I hope he's ok now.

    There are ****ty cops, no doubt, and incompetant ones. But not the majority.

    But hey, we had an incident here where cops went into a home looking for a suspect. They found a man, asleep in bed, in the basement. Did not identify him, but shot him 16 times. He was not even the suspect. He did survive.

    Sooooo many things wrong here, criminally and incompetently.

    --didnt identify suspect
    --shot an unarmed man who was no threat
    --shot him 16 times
    --shot him 16 times *and didnt kill him.*
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I"m really sorry for your dad. I hope he's ok now.

    There are ****ty cops, no doubt, and incompetant ones. But not the majority.

    But hey, we had an incident here where cops went into a home looking for a suspect. They found a man, asleep in bed, in the basement. Did not identify him, but shot him 16 times. He was not even the suspect. He did survive.

    Sooooo many things wrong here, criminally and incompetently.

    --didnt identify suspect
    --shot an unarmed man who was no threat
    --shot him 16 times
    --shot him 16 times *and didnt kill him.*
    What in heaven's name were those fools thinking?
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