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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That us vs them thing is very hard <for law enforcement> to avoid. It's a survival tool.
    Especially when the masses have this attitude:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would have more respect for cops if they didn't view themselves as stormtroopers - and didn't carry around the attitude of "us vs them"....

    Cops think they can do whatever the hell they want and pretend they're above the law or that the law doesn't apply to them.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Especially when the masses have this attitude:
    The cops are the real criminals - they're a bunch of yahoos, and I have seen their tyranny and laziness first hand.... Hell, my dad just won $150,000 in a lawsuit because the storm troopers invaded his home without a warrant and tased him for no damn reason (oh and it's also a viral video to boot)...

    I have no respect for those tyrannical monsters, I wont even talk to them.

    Anyone who refers to others as "bad guys" either has the mentality of a child or has some sort of complex....

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Or is a bigot? Really, who were the bigot(s) that caused the disaster in Ferguson?
    Last edited by cabse5; 09-04-14 at 09:59 AM.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I did 12 months with the reserve training detachment assigned to 2/156th INF, 256th INF BD, headquartered in Abbeville, La. I had the opportunity to attend civil disturbance training with them a few times.

    That JAG office that gave the legal brief during the training made no bones about it, "If you shoot someone without a locking plate installed on your weapon, you WILL go to prison".
    I understand you but the rules you operate under as a member of NG are not necessarily the rules that a police agency would operate under. I spent some time reading up on NFA weapons last night at the ATF website and honestly can find nothing that would stop a police agency from employing automatic weapons. I did find a citation about how states and localities can apply to the ATF to keep confiscated automatic weapons - which implies to me that there is no law against it.

    Other than that I found a couple of news articles about unmodified M16s that were stolen from the police that were in in the process of being converted into semi automatic weapons. But for each of those I found news articles attesting to the fact that cops have access to automatic weapons (yes I know that newspaper people by and large don't understand weapons but can a dozen reporters be wrong?) and more tellingly several posts on LE message boards where folks claiming to be SWAT types stated they have routine access to automatic weapons. Draw whatever conclusions you want from those.

    When I get a chance I'll ask a couple of friends who were or are on the job. maybe they know.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's illegal shoot Americans with automatic fire. That's why NG soldiers have a block installed to restrict them to semi only.
    SWTF??? Who told you that load of misinformation? I know about the lock-outs that can be put on the M-16, but I've never heard of that law you mention. Can you enlighten me with a link to the law? Thanks in advance.

    FWIW, we used the lockouts to prevent rapid fire in situations where we didn't want to make our presence sound like a full on Division assault.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    SWTF??? Who told you that load of misinformation? I know about the lock-outs that can be put on the M-16, but I've never heard of that law you mention. Can you enlighten me with a link to the law? Thanks in advance.

    FWIW, we used the lockouts to prevent rapid fire in situations where we didn't want to make our presence sound like a full on Division assault.
    The Army did.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Army did.
    Can you give me the DoD or AR number? And, that wouldn't be a law if that's what you're talking about.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Army did.
    We're looking for the exact field manual or law. A link would be nice.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sorry, it wasnt putting property crimes over human life....it was the protection of property using lethal force (taking a human life)

    That's the only one, it's pretty specific. And the premise is that a person spends their life, their work, to acquire that property on which their lives and the lives of their family depends. And that taking that property endangers the family. If it can be *prevented,* then it is preservation of the family. If it cant be prevented, you cant go and kill or even commit assault to take your property back....then you need to depend on 'the wheels of justice.'


    Even in Seattle, liberal city, a few years ago a man shot a guy running away, stealing his stereo. He shot him in the back and killed him. He was charged but got off of almost all charges and ended up just with 'time served.' I forget the specific charge he ended up with but it wasnt a murder charge.

    Stealing is risky. Thieves are the ones that place property above their lives.
    Yes, stealing is risky. Do thieves place the value of what they're stealing above their lives? Well, they're pretty quick to drop it and run when the occasion calls for it.

    Now, that stereo...did the life of the owner and his family depend on that stereo? Really? When someone is stealing such a piece of equipment, is it really your contention that it's OK to kill them to protect the stereo, and yet you're not placing the value of property over the value of life?

    The stereo owner who shot the thief in the back must value the stereo more than freedom, as he is extremely lucky not to have been thrown in jail for a very long time on a second degree murder charge. Shooting people in the back while they're running away is not justifiable homicide anywhere in the USA.

    But, it might be acceptable in Iran, I'm not sure.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We're looking for the exact field manual or law. A link would be nice.
    Im going on what the JAG said. Obvioisly a device to restrict automatic fire exists for a reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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