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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would have more respect for cops if they didn't view themselves as stormtroopers - and didn't carry around the attitude of "us vs them"....

    Cops think they can do whatever the hell they want and pretend they're above the law or that the law doesn't apply to them.
    That us vs them thing is very hard to avoid. It's a survival tool.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's called a "locking plate" and it isn't a permanent install. During riot control operations they're mandatory, by law. If you're deployed to control a riot, issued live rounds and authorized to use deadly force, make sure it's installed on your weapon. If it's not, refuse to accept the live rounds. Forcing you to lock and load against American civilians, without the locking plate installed is an unlawful order. Absolutely refuse to draw an M-249 for such a scenario.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm reading just find. You said:

    which is true, of course.

    I replied:



    which is also true.

    Now, are you going to argue that, under the Taliban, it's OK to kill thieves after the fact, but not if they're caught in the act?
    Sorry I misread it. "During the fact" is odd.

    And yes, in TX you can....it was your disgruntlement with this that started this conversation.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Lern something new everyday.
    I did 12 months with the reserve training detachment assigned to 2/156th INF, 256th INF BD, headquartered in Abbeville, La. I had the opportunity to attend civil disturbance training with them a few times.

    That JAG office that gave the legal brief during the training made no bones about it, "If you shoot someone without a locking plate installed on your weapon, you WILL go to prison".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I did 12 months with the reserve training detachment assigned to 2/156th INF, 256th INF BD, headquartered in Abbeville, La. I had the opportunity to attend civil disturbance training with them a few times.

    That JAG office that gave the legal brief during the training made no bones about it, "If you shoot someone without a locking plate installed on your weapon, you WILL go to prison".
    I've seen MPs carry assult rifles over at the air base. No blocks. Is this a rule spicificaly for riot operations? Do you recall the relevant law or FM?

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've seen MPs carry assult rifles over at the air base. No blocks. Is this a rule spicificaly for riot operations? Do you recall the relevant law or FM?
    As far as I know it's strictly for scenarios where troops are deployed for riots, crowd control, etc. It's a big deal in Louisiana, because when a hurricana hits, National Guard soldiers are often employed to pull security: road blocks, checkpoints, etc. to control who enters certain areas. They're usually issued live rounds when they perform those types of missions.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As far as I know it's strictly for scenarios where troops are deployed for riots, crowd control, etc. It's a big deal in Louisiana, because when a hurricana hits, National Guard soldiers are often employed to pull security: road blocks, checkpoints, etc. to control who enters certain areas. They're usually issued live rounds when they perform those types of missions.
    When my unit went to Katrina to help clean up they packed their M9s. No rifles. I thought that was odd, now I know why.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sorry I misread it. "During the fact" is odd.

    And yes, in TX you can....it was your disgruntlement with this that started this conversation.
    Right. My original observation was that making it legal to kill people involved in property crimes put property over human life in value.

    Oh, yes, and I did observe that the Taliban had similar values.

    I didn't know Texas was so close to that same philosophy.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Right. My original observation was that making it legal to kill people involved in property crimes put property over human life in value.

    Oh, yes, and I did observe that the Taliban had similar values.

    I didn't know Texas was so close to that same philosophy.
    Sorry, it wasnt putting property crimes over human life....it was the protection of property using lethal force (taking a human life)

    That's the only one, it's pretty specific. And the premise is that a person spends their life, their work, to acquire that property on which their lives and the lives of their family depends. And that taking that property endangers the family. If it can be *prevented,* then it is preservation of the family. If it cant be prevented, you cant go and kill or even commit assault to take your property back....then you need to depend on 'the wheels of justice.'


    Even in Seattle, liberal city, a few years ago a man shot a guy running away, stealing his stereo. He shot him in the back and killed him. He was charged but got off of almost all charges and ended up just with 'time served.' I forget the specific charge he ended up with but it wasnt a murder charge.

    Stealing is risky. Thieves are the ones that place property above their lives.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Loser pays solve these nuisance lawsuits. Disbarring the losing lawyers might help as well.
    Wow. Is this a thread hijack? Snort (seems like the entire contents of this thread have become a hijack).

    Anyway I see the validity of this sentiment, but how many 'reasonable' lawsuits wouldn't be filed because the plaintiff didn't have the bucks to payoff the process if defeated? The jury's decision in the OJ Simpson comes to mind...(crazy decisions in court cases).

    Maybe every plaintiff, before filing the lawsuit, pays into a 'loser's fund'? Call it plaintiff loser's insurance?... Which probably wouldn't lessen the amount of lawsuits... Always look for the loophole...
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