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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    My problem with this suit, as I've said, is that any monetary reward will only hurt the tax payers. Any suit should be focused on change and improvement, not some financial reward for those allegedly harmed, which that harm is in no way worth any monetary reward. IMHO.

    Want to sue to force a criminal investigation? Fine, I'd be for that. Want to sue to force reforms and oversight of the department? Fine, I'd be for that as well. Want to sue to get rich, when there is no long lasting harm to the alleged victims? NO, that doesn't do anything to change anything and stinks of greed to me. Again, IMHO.
    The suit has to do with damages. If the plaintiffs were damaged, then they deserve compensation plus whatever punative damages the court finds. The department can then decide if it wants to reform itself or keep getting sued.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I don't get it? Usually, you and I are pretty much on the same side, for the most part, on just about every subject. Yet this time, your being so obtuse as to not even read or give justice to my entire posts? Why is that?

    Would you like to have a real discussion about this? Or just continue with the obfuscation? Because if it's the latter, I don't want to participate.
    I've never agreed with you on much of anything, if I had, you would've been asked to be my friend, and you would've added 100 more likes to your tally.

    I don't believe you understand the meanings of the words you have used.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I've never agreed with you on much of anything, if I had, you would've been asked to be my friend, and you would've added 100 more likes to your tally.

    I don't believe you understand the meanings of the words you have used.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The suit has to do with damages. If the plaintiffs were damaged, then they deserve compensation plus whatever punative damages the court finds. The department can then decide if it wants to reform itself or keep getting sued.
    I understand what the suit is about. I just don't agree with the route they chose to take. I make no claim as to whether it is a valid suit. I do, and have, said that I don't think they will prevail, based on the limited information I know, and the circumstances upon which the police placed them under arrest, and the legal powers that the officers reportedly exercised.

    I may be totally off base (it wouldn't be the first time). If so, and it turns out that I am, I will declare such openly at that time and move on.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    My problem with this suit, as I've said, is that any monetary reward will only hurt the tax payers. Any suit should be focused on change and improvement, not some financial reward for those allegedly harmed, which that harm is in no way worth any monetary reward. IMHO.

    Want to sue to force a criminal investigation? Fine, I'd be for that. Want to sue to force reforms and oversight of the department? Fine, I'd be for that as well. Want to sue to get rich, when there is no long lasting harm to the alleged victims? NO, that doesn't do anything to change anything and stinks of greed to me. Again, IMHO.
    You can't sue and force a criminal charge, rightly so. Imagine your being charged with a crime AND PROSECUTED as part of settlement talks with a plaintiff's attorney..... That's the DA's job, and public opinion no doubt affects those decisions because the post is generally elected, but it can't be the subject of a civil suit.

    And if you want to settle for "reforms and oversight of the department" then the first step is to file a civil suit, which they've done. This was step 1 of about 1,000 if they're successful. They can do all you suggest at any point, either in lieu of damages or in addition to what will undoubtedly be far smaller damages than $40 million. They could have sued for a $TRILLION!!! for all that matters - it's a number on a piece of paper, large enough to get the press to print. Nothing more at this point.

    Besides, I have no problem with financial damages being sought. It's how you get the attention of the Mayor, council, Sheriff, etc. Start paying out $millions in damages to citizens for officer misconduct and heads will roll and things WILL change, fast.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You can't sue and force a criminal charge, rightly so. Imagine your being charged with a crime AND PROSECUTED as part of settlement talks with a plaintiff's attorney..... That's the DA's job, and public opinion no doubt affects those decisions because the post is generally elected, but it can't be the subject of a civil suit.

    And if you want to settle for "reforms and oversight of the department" then the first step is to file a civil suit, which they've done. This was step 1 of about 1,000 if they're successful. They can do all you suggest at any point, either in lieu of damages or in addition to what will undoubtedly be far smaller damages than $40 million. They could have sued for a $TRILLION!!! for all that matters - it's a number on a piece of paper, large enough to get the press to print. Nothing more at this point.

    Besides, I have no problem with financial damages being sought. It's how you get the attention of the Mayor, council, Sheriff, etc. Start paying out $millions in damages to citizens for officer misconduct and heads will roll and things WILL change, fast.
    I see your point. I do. I've just been involved in a number of frivolous suits against me or my company or the government when I was a government employee, and have a very dark view of civil suits in general. BTW, all the suits against me, or my company, or the government, that I was involved in were thrown out of court. But not until it cost me or my company or the government a hell of a lot of money in attorney fees.

    We need tort reform in this country - badly.

    Edit: I was also involved in a suit to force a DA to do his job - which he did - which is what I was referring to.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I see your point. I do. I've just been involved in a number of frivolous suits against me or my company or the government when I was a government employee, and have a very dark view of civil suits in general. BTW, all the suits against me, or my company, or the government, that I was involved in were thrown out of court. But not until it cost me or my company or the government a hell of a lot of money in attorney fees.

    We need tort reform in this country - badly.

    Edit: I was also involved in a suit to force a DA to do his job - which he did - which is what I was referring to.
    Fair enough. I think we agree on the theory, but disagree about tactics essentially. And there are lots of marginally employed and/or unethical attorneys and gold digging plaintiffs who pursue bad cases.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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    Taliban considers murder wrong? Oh, the people they beheaded and shot from behind must have been executed huh?
    "We" consider murder wrong? When we kill kids with drones, have the death penalty....

    See how that works? They dont consider what 'they do' murder....and apparently neither do we. But both countries recognize murder.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Shooting someone in the act of theft is not murder, at least not according to the values of the Taliban.
    Source?

    Otherwise it's BS.

    Of course, if you suggest we start cutting burglars hands off, you could bring it up to the states.
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