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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, at what point does someone have to steal YOUR property, before you feel like you need to defend your property with violence?
    Where do you draw the line
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    I'm not going to shoot and kill someone to keep them from stealing my lawn mower, but if my life or another person's life is threatened that's a different story.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You cant do either in any state but TX.

    You may be able to physically restrain them...if you are capable...but if you 'hurt' them I'm pretty sure you open yourself up to charges...if not municipal, then civil.
    They can't sue for injuries suffered while committing a crime, at least not in California. That' s law passed in response to a burglar who fell through a skylight and then tried to sue the business owner.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Thought you might find this interesting-
    there are a number of adverse consequences from having all officers carry guns all of the time and to feel empowered to use them. For one thing, the officers’ own guns are frequently used against them. A 2013 study found that 10 percent of officer fatalities were of officers shot with their own guns. It’s hard to know in how many more cases officers deploy their own guns out of fear that a suspect could use their firearm against them. But we do know that in the case of Michael Brown, officers are at least claiming Brown was trying to take their gun — not that Brown had his own.

    Perhaps the most self-evident adverse consequence is what Newburn calls the “potential for overreaction.” “We have seen in the not too distant past cases in St. Louis and elsewhere where it’s hard to see that it was advisable or necessary,” Newburn said. Most who study police shootings agree that fear is a primary motivating factor, particularly fear of other guns. In other recent police shootings, police killed individuals because they mistook a watering hose, a Wii remote, and cell phones for guns.

    Japan provides a different sort of contrast, because officers do carry guns. But almost no one else does. Police are also given more training than in the United States, and place a heavy focus on martial arts training because police “are expected to use [firearms] in only the rarest of circumstances,” according to David Kopel, who studied Japanese gun control. The message seems to be working, because Japanese cops have killed just one person in the past six years, according to the Economist.


    If Ferguson Were In The UK, Michael Brown Would Almost Certainly Be Alive | ThinkProgress
    I'm looking at the percentage with skepticism.

    Shot with their own guns, would suicide be inclusive with that statistic of 10% ? I won't bother to research because it could take days to find out.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Now that this cop is no longer employed, he can get a job as a night watchman. He will then be free to cuss all he wants while he makes his rounds at some empty warehouse somewhere.
    Liberal compassion on display.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That has nothing to do with "militarization".
    Militarization is about attitudes. Policing is about enforcing laws and protecting the citizenry. Soldiering is about meeting a nations political objectives by killing the nation's enemies. The two are mutually exclusive.

    Since the "War on Drugs" - emphasis on the word war - police have more and more been treating the citizenry as an enemy. That's what militarization means. The hardware is simply an outward manifestation of it.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My point, is that you are suggesting that their civil rights should be violated from the git-go.
    I've made no such suggestion. Nor do I believe any such thing. Point it out please and I will gladly retract the statement.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The same reason you must be this high to ride this ride. You are just some random dude on the internet, they are trained officers with a job. In any event, it's not a double standard, it's just a standard.
    And because they are trained that makes the behavior even less excusable. All government agents (cops, mayors, congressmen, presidents) need to be held to at least the same standard as the rest of us - if not a higher a standard. Unless you want to make them some kind of above the law royalty.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Liberal compassion on display.
    Why do you hate night watchmen?

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Why do you hate night watchmen?
    Me? You're the one that wants what in your eyes is a reject, a subhuman, to become a night watchman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    And because they are trained that makes the behavior even less excusable. All government agents (cops, mayors, congressmen, presidents) need to be held to at least the same standard as the rest of us - if not a higher a standard. Unless you want to make them some kind of above the law royalty.
    All the guy did was cuss at some people, in a very highly emotionally charged situation. How do you know you wouldn't do the same thing, in the same situation?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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