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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    There is no room for anger in law enforcement. Cops who cannot keep their anger in check need to find different careers - ones where their anger won't get people killed or lives ruined.
    There is no room for anger in protests. Protesters who cannot keep their anger in check should not participate. There is no room where their anger can get people killed, destroy private property and ruin a private business.

    Yes, we have a right to peacefull protest. Yet, seems not to long ago Bundy supporters were armed and did point weapons as LE. How about the people in Ferguson who broke into stores to loot. Should they not be held accountable?

    People should be held accountable for their actions no matter what they are doing on or off work.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    While I do not agree with the actions of many of the protestors (in fact, I don't really agree with the protests to begin with considering I feel they jumped the gun big time here), I do agree with the disciplinary actions against these two police officers. Both showed they had the wrong tempers and attitudes for the job from their actions.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't know. I've always heard that the job attracts essentially three different elements.

    1). The Clock Puncher. This is the guy you want to have to deal with if you're ever in the unfortunate position of having to deal with cops. This guy doesn't need to make a point, he's just there to do his job. He'll also be more willing to use discretion and let something slide if an offense is too trivial to make a big deal out of.
    2). The Napolean. You don't want this guy. But suffice it to say that any time a news story comes out about a cop doing something morally repugnant, safe odds are that it's going to be a Napolean.
    3). The Holy Roller. You don't want this guy either, but he's preferable to the Napolean. Basically he see himself as the one thing that stands between civilization and chaos, and is always proving that point. He'll give you a ticket or throw your ass in jail because that's just the right thing to do, and that's the end of any discussion. I got a ticket by one of these for an absolute bull**** thing once, and I can't believe I didn't contest it.
    None of that is an excuse for violating the law that they are charged to uphold. If someone wants to be a cop, they need to be of sterner stuff. They need to be held to the highest of standards.

    But the one thread that ties all of these together is authority. You will respect their authoritah or you're going to have a bad day.
    Which is the exact wrong attitude that police should have.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Don't lie and try to put words in my mouth. I have never said anything even remotely close to that. I happen to have a concealed carry license, and own guns. The only thing I have ever said is that background checks are needed.
    Well, maybe not you personally....but it seems to be the popular liberal position, does it not?
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I don't have the answer to those questions, but can tell you this from past experiences.

    1. military service trained people years ago on how to accept people for what they are, and to accept diversity.

    2. when employed with the Navy as a civilian, pre employment training was a requirement on how to accept people for who they were and what they did. Dealing with ethnicity and other aspects of acceptance. How to handle harassment in the working environment, how to report it, etc..

    Don't know if either still have classes on any of this, but I believe civilians, or cops employed by city, state and county governments could use some pages out of the federal guidelines book.

    Some of the most important lessons to be learned from these sensitivity classes is how to deal with peoples emotions, and to be a good listener and to try to help. Not to involve yourself into squabbles, to control your emotions, most exercising self control, not to over react to certain situations.

    It takes time and money to train people, some communities seem quick to hand out authority without any schooling or training to back it up.
    Seems like a great idea. I can't believe there isn't something like this in place already.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Just as there are those who want to crucify them for every "misstep".
    Do you think they shouldn't be held accountable in some way?
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What does the context of my post tell you?
    Since I don't know you, how can I know what you are thinking when posting, hence the question.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Maybe it's the uniform that leads people to believe cops are no longer to be regarded as human and should be discarded with no more concern than one would have over a defective dishwasher.
    Maybe it's because cops tend to act emotionless and mechanistic when called to a situation.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    None of that is an excuse for violating the law that they are charged to uphold. If someone wants to be a cop, they need to be of sterner stuff. They need to be held to the highest of standards.



    Which is the exact wrong attitude that police should have.
    I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how realistic it is to prevent that type of person from getting into a job that basically sings like a siren to that personality type. For that matter, is it even possible to realistically carry out the duties of law enforcement without putting on an armor of authority?

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    From the article, it sounds like the resigning officer was an ass, possibly even a bit too happy with his power as a police officer.
    Tense situations usually bring out the worst and/or best in a person. Pointing a rifle at a protester is questionable at best, but I'd say at least he didn't fire it...
    Resignation seems a somewhat reasonable option there.


    The second guy appears to have lost it on social media. I'm not entirely sure it warranted firing for that, but I suspect he was really fired because all the officers were likely told not to talk about it even on social media, and doing so anyways is what ACTUALLY got him fired.

    Because seriously, you don't want your officers, probably tense and feeling persecuted, to be letting lose on a social media page, or anywhere on the internet, for that matter.
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