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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's not "some people" who don't like cops. It's most people.
    And yet you refuse to acknowledge that this disapproval might actually stem from the behavior of police... I don't personally know what the proportion is, but I know it isn't arbitrary, nor does it reflect some kind of moral failing on the part of the general public. Police don't do the same job they used to do, and they don't do it the same way, and the people of this nation don't approve of these changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've been on police forums, and the notion that the community is "the boss" always gets a good chuckle from the leo members there.
    Then they have lost sight of the mission they are tasked with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually that's a broad brush. There are conservatives that are against police abuse as well. I realise most of them here on this board are fine with it, its mostly conservative libertarians that take issue with it.
    It's still very strange how the most vocal anti-government people are often those most supportive of government agents (police) even when they are engaging in the exact kind of tyranny that these people are most vocally against. It seems that government tyranny is acceptable on a local level to them, as well when it is directed towards people they deem inferior, which is usually poor blacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Saw on the internet news somewhere that some people have filed a $40 million lawsuit against officers who were in Ferguson trying to control the crowds, stems from officers ordering a mother and child in a Mc D's restaurant onto the floor while they were purchasing ice cream, they were cuffed and hauled away for asking why they were told to leave and why they were being ordered around, since they weren't the ones causing the so called trouble.
    Exactly the sort of thing that police should not be able to do. They are not there to issue orders. They are there to uphold the law. That means if they want to control you, move you, arrest you, detain you, or threaten you, they need probable cause and a warrant. There is no excuse for police threatening and hurting innocent people like this. If there isn't enough information and no obvious immediate danger, the police should withdraw.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And yet you refuse to acknowledge that this disapproval might actually stem from the behavior of police... I don't personally know what the proportion is, but I know it isn't arbitrary, nor does it reflect some kind of moral failing on the part of the general public. Police don't do the same job they used to do, and they don't do it the same way, and the people of this nation don't approve of these changes.



    Then they have lost sight of the mission they are tasked with.



    It's still very strange how the most vocal anti-government people are often those most supportive of government agents (police) even when they are engaging in the exact kind of tyranny that these people are most vocally against. It seems that government tyranny is acceptable on a local level to them, as well when it is directed towards people they deem inferior, which is usually poor blacks.



    Exactly the sort of thing that police should not be able to do. They are not there to issue orders. They are there to uphold the law. That means if they want to control you, move you, arrest you, detain you, or threaten you, they need probable cause and a warrant. There is no excuse for police threatening and hurting innocent people like this. If there isn't enough information and no obvious immediate danger, the police should withdraw.
    Don't know if the media had actually reported on exact number arrested and detained during those demonstrations, but there could be many more lawsuits filed against Ferguson and St Louis county police too.

    Speaking of detaining, years ago, living in Chicago, I was detained on several occasions, and had my car searched by CPD, and asked questions like what are you doing in this neighborhood. News reported that St Louis county cops have done that type of thing scores of times, according to federal lawsuits filed over the years. I can't say their motives, but profiling comes to my mind.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Then they have lost sight of the mission they are tasked with.
    They're well aware that everything they post is public so they keep it clean and civil for the most part, but they really don't bother hiding their impression of non-leo's as being childlike, without moral compass and in need of being controlled.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    They're well aware that everything they post is public so they keep it clean and civil for the most part, but they really don't bother hiding their impression of non-leo's as being childlike, without moral compass and in need of being controlled.
    Then they have no business being tasked with upholding the laws of a democratic nation.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Then they have no business being tasked with upholding the laws of a democratic nation.
    I don't know. I've always heard that the job attracts essentially three different elements.

    1). The Clock Puncher. This is the guy you want to have to deal with if you're ever in the unfortunate position of having to deal with cops. This guy doesn't need to make a point, he's just there to do his job. He'll also be more willing to use discretion and let something slide if an offense is too trivial to make a big deal out of.
    2). The Napolean. You don't want this guy. But suffice it to say that any time a news story comes out about a cop doing something morally repugnant, safe odds are that it's going to be a Napolean.
    3). The Holy Roller. You don't want this guy either, but he's preferable to the Napolean. Basically he see himself as the one thing that stands between civilization and chaos, and is always proving that point. He'll give you a ticket or throw your ass in jail because that's just the right thing to do, and that's the end of any discussion. I got a ticket by one of these for an absolute bull**** thing once, and I can't believe I didn't contest it.

    But the one thread that ties all of these together is authority. You will respect their authoritah or you're going to have a bad day.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Did you post this seriously?
    What does the context of my post tell you?

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yep, any displays of humanity while wearing a badge makes you a worthless waste of oxygen. Maybe if we're lucky, they'll do the honorable thing, right? When was the last time someone expressed sadness over a cop losing his/her life or acknowledging a job well done? Actually, getting away from law enforcement is probably the best thing to happen to them. I swear they should all just walk off the job since almost nobody gives a **** about what happens to them anyway.
    Agree completely. An officer let how he felt in a tense situation slip out. Did he shoot anyone, did he assault anyone? No! I dispised a lot of people I use to sell Flooring to, but I did not go out back with their flooring and slice it all up with a carpet knife. To me, this is a knee jerk overreaction by the police department. It also shows they don't really care about how a tense situation could potentially effect their officers emotionally.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is demilitarization of the police supposed to work? Give them BB guns, or what?
    Anything beyond handguns and perhaps shotguns goes only to SWAT teams and SWAT teams are restricted to dealing only with truly highly dangerous situations - not crowd control or serving warrants for drug possession.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is demilitarization of the police supposed to work? Give them BB guns, or what?
    The militarization of the police refers to arming them with weapons and other gear specifically created to combat armed enemies of the state as opposed to citizens. So that right there should help to answer your question.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You don't get it, they are protecting and serving the community FROM the worthless wastes of oxygen and their actions. You want it the other way around apparently. The protesters, the rioters, they ARE worthless wastes who destroy lives and property.
    Just because you've deemed these people wastes of life it does not give the police the authority to be abusive, to point weapons at unarmed people etc. if the cops can't control their anger they shouldn't have access to weapons. I know if I pointed my handgun at an unarmed person and threatened to kill them it would rightfully be taken away from me forever and I'd be locked up. Why the double standard for cops?
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