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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I mentioned in a post to someone else that we need to hold cops to higher standards of behavior because they represent the law and our laws are suppose to be objective or unbiased. If police officers aren't getting the training needed to equip them with this ability then we need to re-evaluate the kind of training they get. Why do we teach them how to shoot people but not how to self-manage and deal, without resorting to violence themselves, the complex situations they are forced to deal with. Cops hold the power of life and death in their hands and that imposes an enormous responsibility on them to wield that power with great discretion. There seems to me that some people want to excuse them of every misstep. As if simply by signing up to be a cop you are suddenly immune too normal human weaknesses. Some seem to want to have us recognize that they are fallible humans but only if when we do so it's to forgive them for something but never to hold them accountable.
    Just as there are those who want to crucify them for every "misstep".
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I mentioned in a post to someone else that we need to hold cops to higher standards of behavior because they represent the law and our laws are suppose to be objective or unbiased. If police officers aren't getting the training needed to equip them with this ability then we need to re-evaluate the kind of training they get. Why do we teach them how to shoot people but not how to self-manage and deal, without resorting to violence themselves, the complex situations they are forced to deal with. Cops hold the power of life and death in their hands and that imposes an enormous responsibility on them to wield that power with great discretion. There seems to me that some people want to excuse them of every misstep. As if simply by signing up to be a cop you are suddenly immune too normal human weaknesses. Some seem to want to have us recognize that they are fallible humans but only if when we do so it's to forgive them for something but never to hold them accountable.
    I don't have the answer to those questions, but can tell you this from past experiences.

    1. military service trained people years ago on how to accept people for what they are, and to accept diversity.

    2. when employed with the Navy as a civilian, pre employment training was a requirement on how to accept people for who they were and what they did. Dealing with ethnicity and other aspects of acceptance. How to handle harassment in the working environment, how to report it, etc..

    Don't know if either still have classes on any of this, but I believe civilians, or cops employed by city, state and county governments could use some pages out of the federal guidelines book.

    Some of the most important lessons to be learned from these sensitivity classes is how to deal with peoples emotions, and to be a good listener and to try to help. Not to involve yourself into squabbles, to control your emotions, most exercising self control, not to over react to certain situations.

    It takes time and money to train people, some communities seem quick to hand out authority without any schooling or training to back it up.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The best tools to lower crime in society are wealth and culture. Police are not even on the radar. In reality, and outside of statist propaganda, force is a pretty ****ty tool to lower crime. It's also just freaking bizarre to say it keeps peace.
    Yes, Bernie Madoff, Charlie Sheen, and Aaron Hernandez are pillars of law abiding society.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, Bernie Madoff, Charlie Sheen, and Aaron Hernandez are pillars of law abiding society.
    Notice how I didn't say everyone is a great guy that never does anything wrong. What I said, is that police are not an effective tool to lower crime rates. I even went further to say that force by it's very nature is very ineffective at getting anything substantial to change in a society. The best way to change behavior in society is make your society wealthy as it takes away the need for criminal behavior and gives people more time to concern themselves with other issues like the environment. The second best tool is culture as it puts in place acceptable standards of behavior for people to be guided by. To the most part force is an incredible waste of human effort.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I don't have the answer to those questions, but can tell you this from past experiences.

    1. military service trained people years ago on how to accept people for what they are, and to accept diversity.

    2. when employed with the Navy as a civilian, pre employment training was a requirement on how to accept people for who they were and what they did. Dealing with ethnicity and other aspects of acceptance. How to handle harassment in the working environment, how to report it, etc..

    Don't know if either still have classes on any of this, but I believe civilians, or cops employed by city, state and county governments could use some pages out of the federal guidelines book.

    Some of the most important lessons to be learned from these sensitivity classes is how to deal with peoples emotions, and to be a good listener and to try to help. Not to involve yourself into squabbles, to control your emotions, most exercising self control, not to over react to certain situations.

    It takes time and money to train people, some communities seem quick to hand out authority without any schooling or training to back it up.
    The Navy still does, I was quite impressed with how much my nephew's attitude changed after he spent 5 years in. His time in the Navy has really given him a much better understanding of how to work with and accept others who don't look like him. As for cops, they should have to take sabbaticals every 10 years or so, just so they can re-connect with the real world.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Notice how I didn't say everyone is a great guy that never does anything wrong. What I said, is that police are not an effective tool to lower crime rates. I even went further to say that force by it's very nature is very ineffective at getting anything substantial to change in a society. The best way to change behavior in society is make your society wealthy as it takes away the need for criminal behavior and gives people more time to concern themselves with other issues like the environment. The second best tool is culture as it puts in place acceptable standards of behavior for people to be guided by. To the most part force is an incredible waste of human effort.
    You've mentioned it several times over various threads that in your opinion police don't reduce or have any effect on reducing crime and I'd just like to know the basis of that analysis. I'm guessing you don't have any statistical data to back you up since I'm not aware of any successful society that currently doesn't have law enforcement of some kind. Or are you simply stating the obvious - if there's no one to enforce laws against crime, there can't actually be any crime.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ironically, they were protesting police action from police officers they consider worthless wastes of oxygen.
    Which accomplishes nothing but disruption and destruction. It's nothing but being the squeaky wheel and calling attention to themselves. Absolutely worthless and destructive. They could use their energies for constructive solutions to the problem they say exists. There are concrete solutions written right into the system. But, these wastes of oxygen are too damn lazy and selfish to do that. They rather be the spectacle and disrupt.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's what I've been saying. If those "people" still feel their lives are worth living after all this, that community has failed.
    The community failed when it hired those sorry excuses as cops.
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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The community failed when it hired those sorry excuses as cops.
    It's difficult to predict or even guess how a person might turn out to be, before and after a hiring takes place.

    The one cop, warned three times previously? IDK? Was that like the three strikes and you're out game that departments utilize in weeding out the bad? Who knows, but the warning signs were there sure enough.

    I like beefheart's post, sabbatical.

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    Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Officer Go **** Yourself has been forced to resign, and another officer who posted on social media sites that the Ferguson protesters should all be put down like rabid dogs has been fired.

    Both decisions were good decisions. Police officers do not own the community. They work FOR the community, and the community is the boss, not them. I know that tensions have been running high in Ferguson, but if you threaten to kill people, then you do not deserve to wear a badge under ANY circumstances. End of discussion....... Or is it?

    Article is here.
    Not really the point of the thread, but as a general point anybody who posts about their jobs on social media at all is an idiot.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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