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Michael Sam released by Rams

probably late but he didn't get picked up by any other team on waivers.
i think he might make the practice squad but even that is looking iffy.

i hope he got his degree in something useful unless the canadian league takes him.
 
northwinds said:
Nope, most high school players are White......but that's where the problem starts.....the Rivals 'star' rating system which will never promote a White RB or WR as a 'five star'. Jordy Nelson, who is a top five receiver in the NFL had to walk on at Kansas State.......as a safety. Wes Welker, the leading receiver in the NFL for five years, got a last minute D-1 offer at Texas Tech and wasn't even drafted by an NFL team.........Toby Gerhart, was given a two star 'fullback' rating coming out if high school even though he played RB in the California high school system and put up incredible rushing numbers. The only D-1 school to offer him a scholorship was White-friendly Stanford. He should have won the Heisman......see how all this works?
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Look, this country is so segregated that it may be true most HS players are white, but many live in trailer trash small towns, hardly nfl material or D1 college for that matter. I know all too well. I'm from a county that was 98-99% white, that had plenty of white athletes, and they *all sucked*. No, they won't get any attention from national rankings, big surprise.

Most white pro athletes probably come from suburbs/upper middle class, places with a plethora of sports and ECs other than football to choose from, if their parents would even allow them to play such a dangerous sport. In contrast, many black pro athletes come from poor inner cities, where the best path out of death or prison is football. If they have any talent, they pursue it. Michael Sam is a great example of this, as he said in that 1st interview.

So what you end up with is a disproportionate # of highly talented players who are black. But your accusation makes no sense when their are also a ton of white players on every team, as anyone can see. Michael Sam is the *first* and *only* openly gay player in D1 or nfl. That is not remotely similar.
 
disneydude said:
I agree....but even that is changing. The younger generation is much more comfortable and accepting. The homophobes are dying out....but just like there are still racists around....there always will be homophobes as well....just in smaller numbers.
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Yeah but it's diff with the nfl. They're several years behind the general population. I've heard this explanation, that many of them are from inner cities and had to be "man of the house" at a young age, and religion is more firmly rooted in their background.

I thought of adding "possibly with exception of the rookies this year" since there are indications of that, but it's still too early to matter, since few of them have any influence yet.
 
I prefer the after shower jacuzzi more than the workout. Its nice to hang out with the guys and talk about manly things.


disneydude said:
Oh puh-lease......get real. Most guys gay or straight....don't look at gym showers for a sexual adventure. Sorry to bust your bubble. The reality is...the vast majority of guys at a gym, straight or gay....go to do their exercise, hit the showers and go on with their day. In today's world, people aren't overly concerned about it....despite all of the homophobes efforts to desperately cling onto this argument. What is the one argument that you always still hear from these guys..."oh....the showers!!!!!". Most of us just laugh at their ignorance.
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Navy Pride said:
Since he told everyone he is gay the circus will follow him wherever he goes...The players not what they say publicly and not ready to accept someone gay in the shower rooms nor should they have to. He should have kept his mouth shut about his gayness.

Issing his BF when he was drafted did not help either
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I never criticize someone for just being themselves, whatever the consequences along the way. No one should have to pretend to be someone they're not in order to satisfy the needs/desires of other people. I think we passed the "sexual awkwardness" in the dressing room stage when female reporters were allowed. The few players who might be uncomfortable simply need to get over themselves.
 
Sam is an undersized 7th round draft pick drafted by a team that is loaded with lots of good players at his position- from what I read he wasnt very good at special teams which is what most players in his draft range would be kept on the team for, this means that he is now a free agent and since injuries happen a lot in the NFL Im sure he will probably get picked up by another team sometime during the season. This media circus is ridiculous in a sport in which one's sexual orientation has got nothing to do with one's ability to play the game.
 
Hicup said:
If homosexuality has a sliver of genetic causality, then it follows that heterosexuals would have an defensive aversion to it. In fact I would posit that, in reality there are by far many more homophobes and always will be, than there are would-be, racists.


Tim-
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Both are concepts founded in ignorance and fear.
 
Navy Pride said:
Since he told everyone he is gay the circus will follow him wherever he goes...The players not what they say publicly and not ready to accept someone gay in the shower rooms nor should they have to. He should have kept his mouth shut about his gayness.

Issing his BF when he was drafted did not help either
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What is very telling is the NP and the other homophobes were crying about "what about the showers" the whole time during the DADT debate. In reality....it hasn't been an issue in the slightest and the military hasn't collapsed because a gay man is in the showers. Just goes to show that the whole "shower" issue is hysteric hyperbole because they have no legitimate arguments anymore.
 
disneydude said:
What is very telling is the NP and the other homophobes were crying about "what about the showers" the whole time during the DADT debate. In reality....it hasn't been an issue in the slightest and the military hasn't collapsed because a gay man is in the showers. Just goes to show that the whole "shower" issue is hysteric hyperbole because they have no legitimate arguments anymore.
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It is a legitimate argument, whether you happen to like it or not. Only hyper-partisans would dismiss legitimate parallels between the sexes, and sexual orientation.

Like I've said many times, you and your ilk marginalize yourself before you even get started by your rhetoric; hoping and wishing that by brow beating your opponents that you'll somehow send them packing. Truth is some leave, but they may be leaving not by the measure of your well argued positions, but because they've seen your ilk before.


Tim-
 
Mr.Nick said:
We're talking about a late round pick here and the only reason why this is CLEARLY an issue is because he is gay.......

Name one other late round pick that was obsessed over 10 pages?????

Yea...
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How many of the posts are from you?

Yeah....
 
He wasn't drafted because he was gay, and he wasn't released because he was gay. He was drafted because someone thought he should have a chance in the NFL being that he was a decent college player, and he was cut because he didn't appear to have what it takes to make it in the NFL.

He may make a practice squad. He may make a roster somewhere. He may end up in the CFL or arena football, or he may just end up selling insurance. Whatever he ends up doing, I hope he's happy and healthy.
 
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He got picked up by no one because he is not a good football player according to all sources.
 
tres borrachos said:
He wasn't drafted because he was gay, and he wasn't released because he was gay. He was drafted because someone thought he should have a chance in the NFL being that he was a decent college player, and he was cut because he didn't appear to have what it takes to make it in the NFL.

He may make a practice squad. He may make a roster somewhere. He may end up in the CFL or arena football, or he may just end up selling insurance. Whatever he ends up doing, I hope he's happy and healthy.
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There's word that Montreal will pick him up?

Tim-
 
disneydude said:
Both are concepts founded in ignorance and fear.
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What someone feels inherently related to their own sexuality isn't a "concept", founded on ignorance and fear or anything else. It's part of that individuals mental/physical/sexual makeup. To suggest that heterosexuals with an aversion to homosexuals is a developed "concept" is to play into the hands of those who claim that homosexuality is a developed taste, or "concept". Using your logic, homosexual males simply have a concept of females and sex that is founded out of ignorance and fear - equally nonsensical.

People simply have to get over themselves - live their own lives - let others live their lives - and basically just respect each other's place in this world for the time we share it.
 
Hicup said:
There's word that Montreal will pick him up?

Tim-
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Yes I saw that. The Alouettes have supposedly "reached out to him" according to Sports Illustrated. Hell he could play in worse places. Montreal is a cool city.
 
CFL would hardly be a death sentence for his aspirations. A lengthy career could still be had there, or it's a place to develop before you make a go at the NFL again ala Cam Wake
 
Hicup said:
It is a legitimate argument, whether you happen to like it or not. Only hyper-partisans would dismiss legitimate parallels between the sexes, and sexual orientation.

Like I've said many times, you and your ilk marginalize yourself before you even get started by your rhetoric; hoping and wishing that by brow beating your opponents that you'll somehow send them packing. Truth is some leave, but they may be leaving not by the measure of your well argued positions, but because they've seen your ilk before.


Tim-
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Im sure DD would have absolutely no problems with me showering with his wife? And if he did that would make him heterophobic, and the world will be a better place when people with those outdated ideas finally die off.
 
Hicup said:
It is a legitimate argument, whether you happen to like it or not. Only hyper-partisans would dismiss legitimate parallels between the sexes, and sexual orientation.

Like I've said many times, you and your ilk marginalize yourself before you even get started by your rhetoric; hoping and wishing that by brow beating your opponents that you'll somehow send them packing. Truth is some leave, but they may be leaving not by the measure of your well argued positions, but because they've seen your ilk before.


Tim-
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Sorry....but you are wrong. It isn't a legitimate argument and has been proven false time and again. Most people don't give a ****. It is just the one remaining failed argument that the homophobes are desperately clinging to because they have nothing left in their arsenal of hatred and bigotry.
 
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