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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Those on the ground are now reporting that Ukrainian military forces are now fighting Russian regular military forces inside Ukraine. There appears to be no question that Russia has begun an invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory, for what purpose or what end game it's hard to say. Clearly, threats and sanctions and bluster haven't changed the megalomaniac's path.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

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    So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict. But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.
    Indeed. Even if Putin wants a "buffer state" this isn't the Soviet Union and he can't just invade.

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    Edit-heres a new vid, apparently of a Chechn unit moving into Ukraine to provide assistance.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What we really have here is an ACORN community organizer vs a KGB thug. We already know how that game will go.
    We are participating/observing the results of a truly ignorant State Dept., Intelligence Agency organized intrigue in Ukraine that has turned into a ball of crap.. The USA tries to bring Ukraine into its' Central Banking oligarchy and cut Russia's throat and expects Russia to just watch. Putin did all the right things for Russia and the USA did all the right things for the Bankers. Golly gee, who's not in this equation. Hot dam, y'all, Ukraine and its' citizens. Got headbangers, got Nazis, got a plethora of scumbags, made Ukraine a poor credit risk, got lots of people killed, Nuland got cookies to Maidan, Parubiy got snipers to Maidan, Yanukovych deftly avoids assassination and that complicates matters, as he's democratically elected and we throwin' them democratic buzzwords all over the place. Now we got the MH17 black hole of information to maintain because, because why? Hot dam, but even talk of invasion by Russians turns into presstitute stenographers offering pearls of insight without any proof. None, Zip. Zero. Mostly press from persons who shared bylines with Judith Miller. Just another coinky-dink, don't ya' know?

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

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    So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict. But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.
    A sovereign nation should be able to chose whether the U.S. enters into a mililtary pact with it?

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We are participating/observing the results of a truly ignorant State Dept., Intelligence Agency organized intrigue in Ukraine that has turned into a ball of crap.. The USA tries to bring Ukraine into its' Central Banking oligarchy and cut Russia's throat and expects Russia to just watch. Putin did all the right things for Russia and the USA did all the right things for the Bankers. Golly gee, who's not in this equation. Hot dam, y'all, Ukraine and its' citizens. Got headbangers, got Nazis, got a plethora of scumbags, made Ukraine a poor credit risk, got lots of people killed, Nuland got cookies to Maidan, Parubiy got snipers to Maidan, Yanukovych deftly avoids assassination and that complicates matters, as he's democratically elected and we throwin' them democratic buzzwords all over the place. Now we got the MH17 black hole of information to maintain because, because why? Hot dam, but even talk of invasion by Russians turns into presstitute stenographers offering pearls of insight without any proof. None, Zip. Zero. Mostly press from persons who shared bylines with Judith Miller. Just another coinky-dink, don't ya' know?
    Lots of gibberish in there but I will say this-Nothing the US did (including exerting its political influence in Ukraine) justifies the invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia. Even if that is as you say-Obama STILL blew it.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

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    So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict.
    But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.


    Maybe that's what you think, but NATO has other ideas.

    Lots of people would like to join some fancy clubs, but the rules keep them out.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lots of gibberish in there but I will say this-Nothing the US did (including exerting its political influence in Ukraine) justifies the invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia. Even if that is as you say-Obama STILL blew it.

    I would like to see proof that Russia invaded Ukraine. Not proof presented by Kiev. Sat photos with correct time stamps and showing vehicles in Russia and then in Ukraine. Once again for clarity. Time/date stamped. You know the USA has a gaggle of sats over Ukraine. It shouldn't present you any problem. There were 20,000 troops in Crimea by previous agreeement when all this occurred. Notice that Crimea has political and social stability with no bloodshed.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    A sovereign nation should be able to chose whether the U.S. enters into a mililtary pact with it?
    I'm thinking that would be a yes. It does have to be in their interests, and the US shouldn't force such a thing on them. The US shouldn't be forcing that sort of decision on them anyway, as that would seem to be seriously flawed foreign policy.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What we really have here is an ACORN community organizer vs a KGB thug. We already know how that game will go.
    An ACORN community organizer cum rock star against a thug who for the first time since the Kruschev era is bragging on his nuclear weapons arsenal after having invaded the Ukraine, something Obama said he would not tolerate.

    Instead of looking like the famous battle of the OK Coral it more resembles something from Blazing Saddles.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm thinking that would be a yes. It does have to be in their interests, and the US shouldn't force such a thing on them. The US shouldn't be forcing that sort of decision on them anyway, as that would seem to be seriously flawed foreign policy.
    I meant from the United States' perspective....

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