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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    A good assessment of Obama, but I have a very hard time squaring your assertion the world is "better off" with America "sticking it's nose in" where it doesn't belong.

    Since before day one, I have been comparing Obama to James Earl Carter, he also creator of a disaster of a foreign policy. Both are really average at the end of the day, both were outsiders promising "change" although the audacious Mr. Obama added the word "hope", which is now....well...

    And, they both had no clue as to how things really work. Obama promised everything to "his" supporters while making "enemies" of those who didn't absolutely adore him. A rookie, with just two years, not even a complete term, he failed to realize those "enemies" are Americans too, and like him have been elected to do a job. So unlike Carter, Reagan and George H.W. Bush, he saw no purpose in having his "enemies" to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. for lunch and casual chat about how to get some things done, seek what was founded the US, that long forgotten thing called "compromise".

    He took a naive view to Europe and while being basked in adoration over a politically motivated peace prize, he failed to hear the murmurs of US allies, that maybe he didn't have what it takes. Then off to the middle east to "apologize" to Arabs, leaving Israel and US Jews wondering what the hell is going on. Oops, another ally alienated.

    From there, I believe he sought to correct his errors [without of course admitting them] and reverted to the Bush+Bush policy of might makes right. I truly believe he now seriously regrets pulling troops out of Iraq then. And I also believe even he now knows he's in way over his head.


    He has apparently given out all the hope he had and has none left to distribute. With a little luck, he's also out of change. we can't afford much more of either of these from this clown.

    The only enemy that Obama ever recognized as an enemy is a Republican.

    Leadership, as it exists in American Politics is foreign to this petulant and immature bully boy of a chief executive. He continually grabs his ball and goes home. If the press was not his personal PR Firm, we would have been treated to some outstanding journalism used to review his incompetence. Sadly, it's difficult to criticize those that you love.

    I don't think he knows he's in over his head. He still thinks he's a community organizer and lives for the applause of the fund raiser crowds. I feel he thinks he's doing great.

    He seems unaware that he is failing in everything he is trying to accomplish.

    If ignorance is bliss, this guy is delirious.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    He has apparently given out all the hope he had and has none left to distribute. With a little luck, he's also out of change. we can't afford much more of either of these from this clown.

    The only enemy that Obama ever recognized as an enemy is a Republican.

    Leadership, as it exists in American Politics is foreign to this petulant and immature bully boy of a chief executive. He continually grabs his ball and goes home. If the press was not his personal PR Firm, we would have been treated to some outstanding journalism used to review his incompetence. Sadly, it's difficult to criticize those that you love.

    I don't think he knows he's in over his head. He still thinks he's a community organizer and lives for the applause of the fund raiser crowds. I feel he thinks he's doing great.

    He seems unaware that he is failing in everything he is trying to accomplish.

    If ignorance is bliss, this guy is delirious.

    Well written - am I rubbing off on you? and perfectly descriptive.

    I agree this president has had the longest honeymoon in history. I was shocked and appalled when after being caught out in the lie "I never said that", the media simply dropped it. Even among his true and dedicated opponents, that incredible breach of honesty stands as the single biggest insult to a populace since Marie "let them eat cake" Antoinette. We had a prime minister named Brian Mulroney who was vague and misleading on a single issue. Her earned the name "lyin' Brian" and went from 240+ seats to just two in the next election.

    He may seem unaware he's failing, but that comes with the mild sociopath. They have no real shame in the sense we do. But, he has changed. He is much more careful now, his comments on Ferguson were very lame in comparison to his usual tear jerker rhetoric. More and more we hear "the White House, today..." Instead of "president Obama today....". His comments on the international scene are much more guarded. He is far more quite on everything these days.

    He is not stupid. I have never made that claim. He is wise like a **** house rat. He has come from being a community organizer to president of the US; that does not come without cunning and skill and the ability to chew your opponent's throat out.

    In that, he cannot exist every day facing an ever increasing and worsening situation on all fronts. He has never had to face the serious and likely threat he will lose congress all together. No president since Kennedy has had to face an angry Russian leader waving his nukes around.

    He faces it now.

    My fear is that while he knows he's on the ropes, like all **** house rats, he has no clue how to get out of it. And as a self survivalist, he is likely to go full tilt panic when the time comes.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    A good assessment of Obama, but I have a very hard time squaring your assertion the world is "better off" with America "sticking it's nose in" where it doesn't belong.
    Truthfully, I have a hard time reconciling that one, myself. I guess overall, I see it as more positive than negative. The ONLY reason I see it that way now is due to the observable results we see today. It ain't pretty. I don't agree with the US "sticking its nose in." That was a poor choice of words. The US doesn't hold the patent on the "right" way to do things. Even less so, IMHO, when we start dictating to other cultures. While we objectively are NOT judge and jury, there are examples aplenty of how WE have nominated ourselves to play that role in the world.

    However, looking around, it's impossible to deny the results of us disengaging completely. I feel like that's where we are now.

    Since before day one, I have been comparing Obama to James Earl Carter, he also creator of a disaster of a foreign policy. Both are really average at the end of the day, both were outsiders promising "change" although the audacious Mr. Obama added the word "hope", which is now....well...
    Demonstrably NOT the flying dove, rainbow-filled, kumbaya fest that was promised?

    And, they both had no clue as to how things really work. Obama promised everything to "his" supporters while making "enemies" of those who didn't absolutely adore him. A rookie, with just two years, not even a complete term, he failed to realize those "enemies" are Americans too, and like him have been elected to do a job. So unlike Carter, Reagan and George H.W. Bush, he saw no purpose in having his "enemies" to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. for lunch and casual chat about how to get some things done, seek what was founded the US, that long forgotten thing called "compromise".
    I don't think Obama ever really grasped the true meaning of compromise. He's not alone, sadly. It seems to be a lost art form, as of late.

    He took a naive view to Europe and while being basked in adoration over a politically motivated peace prize, he failed to hear the murmurs of US allies, that maybe he didn't have what it takes. Then off to the middle east to "apologize" to Arabs, leaving Israel and US Jews wondering what the hell is going on. Oops, another ally alienated.

    From there, I believe he sought to correct his errors [without of course admitting them] and reverted to the Bush+Bush policy of might makes right. I truly believe he now seriously regrets pulling troops out of Iraq then. And I also believe even he now knows he's in way over his head.
    There is no disputing, IMO, we pulled out of Iraq way to quickly. I could make an argument for not having gone in the first place. But the fact is, once you're there and involved, you'd damn well better see it through. Otherwise, you are creating a WORSE problem than the one you started with. I believe that's what we're seeing today. And at that point, sadly, we hold a big chunk of responsibility here. WE chose to get involved. WE had a duty to follow through. We failed in that, and it shows.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    My fear is that while he knows he's on the ropes, like all **** house rats, he has no clue how to get out of it. And as a self survivalist, he is likely to go full tilt panic when the time comes.
    And he's the guy in charge of the proverbial "red button." His wishy-washy, indecisiveness kinda scares me.

    I might go so far as to say I'd be more comfortable with "Crazy Joe" Biden in charge...

    That's disturbing...

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    Truthfully, I have a hard time reconciling that one, myself. I guess overall, I see it as more positive than negative. The ONLY reason I see it that way now is due to the observable results we see today. It ain't pretty. I don't agree with the US "sticking its nose in." That was a poor choice of words. The US doesn't hold the patent on the "right" way to do things. Even less so, IMHO, when we start dictating to other cultures. While we objectively are NOT judge and jury, there are examples aplenty of how WE have nominated ourselves to play that role in the world.

    However, looking around, it's impossible to deny the results of us disengaging completely. I feel like that's where we are now.



    Demonstrably NOT the flying dove, rainbow-filled, kumbaya fest that was promised?



    I don't think Obama ever really grasped the true meaning of compromise. He's not alone, sadly. It seems to be a lost art form, as of late.



    There is no disputing, IMO, we pulled out of Iraq way to quickly. I could make an argument for not having gone in the first place. But the fact is, once you're there and involved, you'd damn well better see it through. Otherwise, you are creating a WORSE problem than the one you started with. I believe that's what we're seeing today. And at that point, sadly, we hold a big chunk of responsibility here. WE chose to get involved. WE had a duty to follow through. We failed in that, and it shows.


    I agree he has no sense of compromise. The man is so insecure he see delaying a bill as a failure.



    yes, we can argue about whether the US should have gone into Iraq at all, and remains exhibit "A" in my reasoning that these remote international conflicts be resolved through international co-operation, which Obama has never even asked for. The reasons to go in were lies, the plan faulty and based on deliberately falsified intelligence. The perfect reason why the US should not be involved. That mistake has cost millions of lives and continues to do so.

    But, as you point out, it happened, what now? I agree Obama, wanting those troops home in time for the election, pulled out way too soon, demonstrating that he has no concept for local issues.

    So you are now stuck and it will require boots on the ground if the US wants to stop ISIS.

    But here is my question. Who are you stopping? ISIS is their name today, just as Osama bin Laden had a different name when fighting the Russians.

    And one more....do you really know who you're arming? Seems a lot of Americans die from American made weapons supplied by the CIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Everything Obama does is connected. All his mistakes are combined to create an overall profile. The profile Putin sees is that of a pussy.
    More lame-sauce attempt to cover your failed reply. Get a map, learn the globe and stop trying to pretend like you aren't backtracking. ISIL is not in or related to the Ukraine.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    More lame-sauce attempt to cover your failed reply. Get a map, learn the globe and stop trying to pretend like you aren't backtracking. ISIL is not in or related to the Ukraine.
    ISIS, is a part of the big picture.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And one more....do you really know who you're arming? Seems a lot of Americans die from American made weapons supplied by the CIA.
    You're thinking of Iranian made EFP's, and Russian made AK's and RPG's.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    So, if I'm hearing you correctly, going forward we should tell the world that our premisses, agreements, and treaties aren't worth the paper they are written on unless we wrote them a long time ago. Hmm. Typical Progressive Logic.

    Once again, this Administration is playing checkers, when the rest of the world leaders are playing chess.

    Just out of curiosity, why do you think we entered into that treaty in the first place?
    To strengthen global security and provide a buffer against Russia. But if it ends up having the opposite effect, then it is the definition of a failed strategy. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't Obama's strategy...but don't quote me on that.

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