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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    While not centuries old, a decade is a decent chunk of time. Certainly warrants, IMHO, honoring it. I think not doing so -- really, with any sort of agreement we've made in the peace/security dept, would be at our own peril.

    It gives jerks like Putin the impression we can be railroaded, and won't stand up to him.

    It gives other nations cause to doubt our word. Some of the weaker ones may switch sides, thinking we will treat their agreements in the same fashion.

    Granted, this is all pure speculation on my part. I guess my main point was that this is the very first time I can realistically see the possibility of a major war.
    It's scary as hell, right? But really, it's Russia posturing where they know we have no real influence. So let them, and let's not pretend like NATO means anything in areas that we wouldn't risk our own national security to protect.

    When Putin starts talking about annexing Mexico, then we have a problem. But that would never happen, because he or any other Russian leader would know that it would be a real threat to us.

    I've seen some comparisons to having our head in the sand re: WWII, but the reality is that neither Germany nor Japan had even close to the resources it would take to invade North America.

    Russia is not a threat to US security unless something catastrophic happens to our side of the MAD equation. The battle we can reasonably fight is on the economic side.

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    It's the technological front that we should be truly fearful of...when a technology breakthrough makes nuclear warfare and the MAD equation obsolete. We don't want to be on the wrong side of that breakthrough. Russia agrees, which is why it views any missle defense systems developed by the West as an act of war.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    I think Putin is using ISIS case on his favor.
    Russian troops enter Ukraine when USA started the air attack in Iraq.

    To be honest, USA has 2 fronts out there. Russia in Ukraine and ISIS.
    Going in war with Russia I found it stupid and worthless. Everyone can come up with "to defend ukraine people and democracy" but we all know that's bull****.
    USA can't fight with both ISIS and Russia at the same time. If there was only Russia, it can't fight it alone as well.

    EU didn't back up USA in war with Syria. With Russia, EU will think more than twice.
    If you go back in time, Syria case was like Russia vs USA game. There was the moment where EU looked weak, because EU didn't have the will to follow US on it's war campaigns and Putin did read very well that picture. Remember that even British said no.
    The next was escalation in Ukraine. The US did complain that EU was inactive there and it really was and it still is. Well, Putin was free to annex Crimea and now that's a closed case.
    Even if Russia invade Ukraine, I doubt EU will go in full war. They prefer to buy the gas from Russia for 5$ and sell to their own people for 20$, rather than buying it from US companies for 15$ and selling it for 20$.
    If the situation goes really bad, I believe it will end by EU's way (as that's the only thing EU know to do best), diving Ukraine in East and West.
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    It's scary as hell, right? But really, it's Russia posturing where they know we have no real influence. So let them, and let's not pretend like NATO means anything in areas that we wouldn't risk our own national security to protect.

    When Putin starts talking about annexing Mexico, then we have a problem. But that would never happen, because he or any other Russian leader would know that it would be a real threat to us.

    I've seen some comparisons to having our head in the sand re: WWII, but the reality is that neither Germany nor Japan had even close to the resources it would take to invade North America.

    Russia is not a threat to US security unless something catastrophic happens to our side of the MAD equation. The battle we can reasonably fight is on the economic side.
    I certainly hope that's the case.

    The US has a lot more enemies than it did in WWII. With more powerful weapons, to boot. Pre-WWII, we'd never been attacked in our neck of the woods, with the exception of Pearl Harbor. It's already been demonstrated the US is not as geographically "insulated" as we once were. I think that raises the stakes a bit. When you factor in the lunatic fringe... yup. Scary. Personally, I think Crimea was Putin's way of sticking his toe in the proverbial pool, and testing the waters. On some level, I think he wanted to gauge what, if any, response there would be. He got his answer.

    As far as him annexing Mexico... Putin doesn't seem like the fiesta type. Way too colorful/cheerful for him. Although I'd pay money to put his pompous ass in a bullfight... Ole!

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    I certainly hope that's the case.

    The US has a lot more enemies than it did in WWII. With more powerful weapons, to boot. Pre-WWII, we'd never been attacked in our neck of the woods, with the exception of Pearl Harbor. It's already been demonstrated the US is not as geographically "insulated" as we once were. I think that raises the stakes a bit. When you factor in the lunatic fringe... yup. Scary. Personally, I think Crimea was Putin's way of sticking his toe in the proverbial pool, and testing the waters. On some level, I think he wanted to gauge what, if any, response there would be. He got his answer.

    As far as him annexing Mexico... Putin doesn't seem like the fiesta type. Way too colorful/cheerful for him. Although I'd pay money to put his pompous ass in a bullfight... Ole!
    We are a lot more powerful as well, and Moscow to Washington still is a very long way. MAD is alive and well, and we need to make sure it stays that way. Our real threats in the near term absolutely come from less politically defined enemies such as IS.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    wtf does ISIS have to do with the Ukraine and Putin?
    Because of Obama's inaction and indecision, Putin has been emboldened to do whatever he pleases.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    What would any US President do? Go to war with Russia?
    A good president would have already convinced Putin that he isn't a pussy. A good president would have Putin saying, "This ****er's just crazy enough to do it...I'm going to back down".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A good president would have already convinced Putin that he isn't a pussy. A good president would have Putin saying, "This ****er's just crazy enough to do it...I'm going to back down".
    Sounds like game theory 101...or not.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Pfff. And what are we going to do?

    Obama couldn't intimidate a six year old girl, let alone a regional superpower. If I were Putin, I'd just laugh and keep right on doing what I was doing.
    what he knows that BO does not is that Europe has a line it wont have crossed as they've seen this movie before.
    And he'll stop just short of it. At least for a while.

    Not even Vlad wants WWIII or whatever # we're up to now.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    I don't even understand how this is a left or right issue. War with Russia needs to be avoided, period. Let them dig up their own backyard. They aren't anywhere close to ours.
    And they don't need to get any closer.
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