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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    And we all know what Obama does once he's drawn a line in the sand.
    You mean the line that McCain, Ayotte and Graham signed off on after getting intel.
    Then stood and chirped at him as the "Cheney" coalition in Congress fell apart.
    The one where Congressman Cotton supported bombing, the GOP guy running for the Arkansas Senate .
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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    BTW here's what the late James Garner thought of the mythical Reagan portrayed earlier in the thread as some great orator blah, blah, blah.


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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right. That hasn't happened and likely won't happen because the end result could be WWIII with Nukes. I don't believe that Putin wants to kick that off.

    He's just trying to grab some low-hanging fruit.

    I sincerely hope you're right, shrub...

    I don't believe Putin wants to kick anything off, either, but I imagine he'd crash the proverbial party. I wouldn't be surprised, at that stage in the game, if he were to show up -- invited by one of our adversaries. I hope the theory of MAD holds true. I've never been a big conspiracy, the-Muslims-are-coming!, 2012-the-world-is-over type. But I will say this...

    Between Putin/Ukraine, ISIS, Israel/Hamas, unsecured US borders... This is the very first time in my life that I have considered there is a real chance, however remote, that things may turn bad very quickly. I find that potential disturbing.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Worse. He's an academic.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hey, like all of us, he has a pesky problem with his short game....So, I've heard.

    What's wrong with academics, j-mac? The college kids just aren't getting the same "bang for the buck" these days. Damn economy.
    Which is worse, in your opinion? An academic or a smartass? They both have their merits!

    Maybe Obama will turn out to be like those guys in school that were super-smarmy. Their "game" was -- that they had "no game." They act very innocent, then rear their ugly heads. Catches everyone off guard.

    We have 2 years left with this guy in office. I certainly hope he's got something up his sleeve.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Didn't Biden's son accept an appointment to the Board of Directors of Ukraine's largest gas company recently? This is getting curiouser and curiouser!
    I had not heard that anywhere before, but thanks for that post. It bears looking in to. It certainly would cast a new light on things, IMO.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Wasn't Reagan the president that turned tail and ran after the marine barracks were bombed in Beruit? You know the one who Bin Laden said he got the idea on how the Americans could be beat? That president?

    Btw the words of a speech writer attributed to a president don't mean squat to me. Reagan could only wish to have the integrety Obama does.

    No. I'm talking about the President that won the Cold War without firing a shot. The one that had to clean up the mess left behind by his Democrat predecessor. I'm talking about the President that forced Iran to release the hostages on his first day in office, because they knew they would pay the price if they didn't.

    While the significance of the deaths of those 16 marines should never be diminished, it must also be placed in context. It was the first time the US had participated in a multi- national peacekeeping force in the region. The unexpected terrorist attack was indeed tragic.

    Inferring that Bin Laden somehow learned to beat America because of Ronald Reagan is a serious stretch. We can reserve that discussion for another thread.



    I find your comment, "Reagan could only wish to have the integrety Obama does," laughable. History will be the judge. Not his JV cheering squad.


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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    How is our great Nobel Prize winning Community Organizer going to handle Putin? Is there going to be another "Red Line" or is he going to "Reset" with Russia? Maybe Bathhouse Barry should challenge Putin to a golf match. Barry can bring his pal The Pimp With a Limp along for the ride.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that we withdraw our commitment to the Baltics before we are put in a position where we are unable to honor it.

    This isn't 1939, and we weren't sitting opposite a nation with 5000 nuclear weapons.
    I don't agree. I think it's one of the worst decisions we could make at this juncture. We've been backing off for years now, and things have just gotten worse all-around. To back of a long-standing commitment -- as the one in the Baltics -- would completely undermine what little remaining credibility the US has internationally.

    I used to be on the other side of the fence regarding these types of issues. I would have been in favor of the US not getting involved... we aren't the world police... who made us judge & jury...etc...etc... After years of abiding by this brand of foreign policy, and now seeing the practical results of said policy, I firmly believe I was wrong in that sort of thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    I don't agree. I think it's one of the worst decisions we could make at this juncture. We've been backing off for years now, and things have just gotten worse all-around. To back of a long-standing commitment -- as the one in the Baltics -- would completely undermine what little remaining credibility the US has internationally.

    I used to be on the other side of the fence regarding these types of issues. I would have been in favor of the US not getting involved... we aren't the world police... who made us judge & jury...etc...etc... After years of abiding by this brand of foreign policy, and now seeing the practical results of said policy, I firmly believe I was wrong in that sort of thinking.
    It's not at all long standing though. It is a commitment made in 2004.

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    Re: WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    It's not at all long standing though. It is a commitment made in 2004.
    While not centuries old, a decade is a decent chunk of time. Certainly warrants, IMHO, honoring it. I think not doing so -- really, with any sort of agreement we've made in the peace/security dept, would be at our own peril.

    It gives jerks like Putin the impression we can be railroaded, and won't stand up to him.

    It gives other nations cause to doubt our word. Some of the weaker ones may switch sides, thinking we will treat their agreements in the same fashion.

    Granted, this is all pure speculation on my part. I guess my main point was that this is the very first time I can realistically see the possibility of a major war.

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