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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Your beliefs are fine...and you can work to over-turn Roe v Wade...but in this country, No government... local, state , or federal can write laws restricting a right. Even if you don't like the right.
    It's a procedure, you have no right to force anyone to provide you with an abortion and as a medical procedure it is subject to regulations and safety parameters. You have a right to access an abortion, meaning no one can say you legally cannot get one so long as it is within term limits but the abortion itself may be regulated and hopefully made to be impossible or extremely expensive to deter abortion and make it virtually impossible to access.
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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Like it or not, abortion IS a surgical procedure. ANY other type of clinic doing surgical procedures have to follow the same standards including having admitting privileges at a local hospital. There doesn't need to be a trend, a trend doesn't say crap when we're dealing with individual surgeries. What you're saying is that outliers don't matter, they can just go ahead and die if their surgery goes wrong because they don't fit the trend.
    Minor surgeries and procedures are done outside of the hospital and without a hospital admitting privileges all the time. Try living in a very rural area. What is important is if the patient acknowledges the risks and benefits and understands what path to take should a complication arise. Clinics and doctors offices are obliges to maintain certain standards of practice and environment. Any office or clinic that does not meet these standards would be shut down.

    You are not living in the real world on this one. For minor procedures performed outside of a hospital, there clearly would have to be some reason to make it a hospital procedure or a procedure that requires being within a certain distance of a full service hospital. The fact that abortions are singled out when abortion has an excellent safety profile is just proof of it just being a douche move to limit access to abortion.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's a procedure, you have no right to force anyone to provide you with an abortion and as a medical procedure it is subject to regulations and safety parameters. You have a right to access an abortion, meaning no one can say you legally cannot get one so long as it is within term limits but the abortion itself may be regulated and hopefully made to be impossible or extremely expensive to deter abortion and make it virtually impossible to access.
    You do not seem to understand the fact that this was not an attempt to regulate but to hinder and to state otherwise only confirms the dishonesty brought to the issue by those who would deny women their freedom.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You do not seem to understand the fact that this was not an attempt to regulate but to hinder and to state otherwise only confirms the dishonesty brought to the issue by those who would deny women their freedom.
    How am I being dishonest if I'm upfront about saying that we should do anything to prevent and make abortions hard to obtain? I don't care if it's a bogus law with the guise of "safety." If it shuts down clinics and makes abortion harder to obtain then it serves it's purpose as a good law.
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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    If not for the hatchet job on the superbly qualified Judge Robert Bork, led by the likes of Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and Arlen "Einstein" Spector, we probably would have had Bork on the Court. Instead, we got Anthony Kennedy.

    And because of Kennedy, the Court could not quite pull the trigger in Casey in 1992, and put Roe v. Wade out of its misery as many had expected it to do. Instead, the Court settled for the awkward, unprincipled compromise that's in force today. It is Casey's vague, neither-fish-nor-fowl "undue burden" test that applies to state laws like this one. It shouldn't surprise anyone that with such a poor standard in place there are all these suits over state abortion laws.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How am I being dishonest if I'm upfront about saying that we should do anything to prevent and make abortions hard to obtain? I don't care if it's a bogus law with the guise of "safety." If it shuts down clinics and makes abortion harder to obtain then it serves it's purpose as a good law.
    Ok my bad. So you are ok with trampling the law, I mean the real law, in order to satisfy your self righteous desires. Honesty and integrity are meaningless when you want to achieve YOUR goals.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Ok my bad. So you are ok with trampling the law, I mean the real law, in order to satisfy your self righteous desires. Honesty and integrity are meaningless when you want to achieve YOUR goals.
    Maybe it's because I'm honest about the issue that abortion is the legalized killing of innocent human lives that I'm okay with going to whatever lengths necessary to put an end to it. What would you do if slavery was the law of the land and states were trying to regulate it out of existence because the SCOTUS said blacks aren't "people" and therefore whites have the right to own, kill or do whatever they want to them? Legalized elective abortion is the slavery of our day. You can spin my character however you want, but the fact remains that abortion is wrong, period. And because it's wrong it must be stopped. Call it self righteous, but when the issue is regarding innocent human lives being killed that should be stopped.
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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Maybe it's because I'm honest about the issue that abortion is the legalized killing of innocent human lives that I'm okay with going to whatever lengths necessary to put an end to it. What would you do if slavery was the law of the land and states were trying to regulate it out of existence because the SCOTUS said blacks aren't "people" and therefore whites have the right to own, kill or do whatever they want to them? Legalized elective abortion is the slavery of our day. You can spin my character however you want, but the fact remains that abortion is wrong, period. And because it's wrong it must be stopped. Call it self righteous, but when the issue is regarding innocent human lives being killed that should be stopped.
    When you forsake integrity and honesty for a cause, any cause you in essence forsake the cause, because any victory achieved based on deception will fall as a result of it. The fact that you are wiling to deceive and rely on hysteria and emotional appeal for your self gratification only underscores the lack of rational and reality based arguments to support it, hence the need for the dishonesty.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Not really, it will happen eventually but probably not until after SSM is nationally legal.
    Early legal abortions will not go away in the US.
    In the US we enjoy religious liberty and access to reproductive choice including contraception and legal elective abortion is a part of our religious liberty.

    RELIGIOUS LIBERTY



    The freedom of religion is indeed our first freedom and a universally treasured American value dating back to the founding of our nation.
    As a diverse coalition of religious denominations and religiously-affiliated organizations, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice has an intimate understanding of the important role faith plays in one’s personal and public life. For many people of faith, our world view is informed by our religious values and upbringing. Naturally, many of us put our faith into action to advance our own understanding of mutual uplifting and common good. RCRC certainly relies on the religious values of our member organizations to advance health, dignity and justice for women.

    However, the First Amendment makes clear that public policy is not to be based on faith alone – in a religiously diverse, pluralistic society, favoring any one religious worldview is wrong and inherently biased. Good policy is policy that allows for all people – regardless of their religious identity – to follow their own faith and conscience when directing the course of their life.

    When it comes to matters of reproductive health, RCRC believes that real religious liberty protects the right of a woman to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family, and her own faith. Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual.
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    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Federal Judge Halts Key Part of Texas Abortion Law...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Maybe it's because I'm honest about the issue that abortion is the legalized killing of innocent human lives that I'm okay with going to whatever lengths necessary to put an end to it. What would you do if slavery was the law of the land and states were trying to regulate it out of existence because the SCOTUS said blacks aren't "people" and therefore whites have the right to own, kill or do whatever they want to them? Legalized elective abortion is the slavery of our day. You can spin my character however you want, but the fact remains that abortion is wrong, period. And because it's wrong it must be stopped. Call it self righteous, but when the issue is regarding innocent human lives being killed that should be stopped.
    We have known all along that the law was never about safety of the women. It is about limiting access to abortions.

    It is rather refreshing that someone is actually honest about it.

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