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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

Roadvirus said:
When? Hopefully before they hit us here.
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Soon. That's exactly what he said, and people are taking one phrase (in a long address) out of context to pretend he won't. By the way, we're already attacking ISIS in Iraq in the Kurdish region. I expect we'll start attacking ISIS inside Syria as well, for starters.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah so our congress should be in session right now trying to solve it. Instead they are on vacation and you think that is acceptable.
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Here's another Obama supporter who thinks Congress is the Commander in Chief. Leftists keep making my case for me!
 
Kobie said:
I find it utterly laughable that you place any and all blame for chaos in Iraq squarely on Obama's (and ONLY Obama's) shoulders. Partisan hackery at its finest.
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Who else could you possibly blame when the country was 'stable' when he took over? Iraq was the Obama administration's "greatest accomplishment". Didn't you know that?
 
By law, the President had to report to the Congress today about his actions last week in Syria.
Good to see he's been on the job eh bombing ISIL and following the law eh ?
Grant said:
Here's another Obama supporter who thinks Congress is the Commander in Chief. Leftists keep making my case for me!
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GreatNews2night said:
Like I said, Obama also repeated the same slogan, I heard him on the radio during the full speech (not just the 48 seconds you posted). See, going by the written word is not the whole truth. Newspapers and magazines and journalists have agendas. They select what they want to publish. They go by what will sound most scandalous and will contribute to more sales of the magazine or more web hits. If something is said that plays down the scandalous effect, they may very well omit it.
Weren't you a bit suspicious that a long exchange was rendered in your source by a 48-second clip???
And then, you say you went by the written word that was on the OP... wait a moment, have you checked what the source was, of the OP? FOX NEWS!!! LOL, yeah, they'd be doing their best to render accurately what Obama said, right? NOT!!!
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You are watching clips rather than reading. It was Ben Rhodes you were referring to..
 
Grant said:
Who else could you possibly blame when the country was 'stable' when he took over? Iraq was the Obama administration's "greatest accomplishment". Didn't you know that?
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I dunno, maybe you could blame (at least in part) Maliki, whose job it was to keep it stable?
 
NIMBY said:
By law, the President had to report to the Congress today about his actions last week in Syria.
Good to see he's been on the job eh bombing ISIL and following the law eh ?
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Are you claiming Obama has a 'strategy'?
 
Grant said:
Who else could you possibly blame when the country was 'stable' when he took over?
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I don't call the VA Hospitals overflowing with older Veterans and Iraqi wounded at the end of 2008 as stable.
Not to mention the idiotic move putting in a Shia hack who ****ed up Iraq by pissing off the Sunni generals and people in every way possibe.
SWmooth moves there huh?
Not to mention the blatant blunder of "Bring It On" to Muslim extremists.
Your GOPs gave Obama exactly what Bush goaded them in to .
Iraq was the Obama administration's "greatest accomplishment". Didn't you know that?
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Until Bush's blunder**** Maliki destroyed the Nation .
 
Grant said:
You are watching clips rather than reading. It was Ben Rhodes you were referring to..
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Ben Rhodes said it. Obama also said it. I heard him saying it. Like I said I'm not watching clips. I heard it on the radio, the full speech, on POTUS (a politics only satellite radio channel).
 
Kobie said:
I dunno, maybe you could blame (at least in part) Maliki, whose job it was to keep it stable?
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Obama wasn't briefed on Maliki before he pulled the troops? Why are you so desperate to pin the blame elsewhere when the evidence of who is actually responsible is available to everyone?

You don't understand what 'hackery' means, do you?
 
Did you even try to think of a response to what I said--No!?
Obama's strategy is apparently to tell congressional morons as late as the law allows what he is doing in the Middle East.
As per his 'required-by-law' report to congressional leaders today--you do know of that right .
Grant said:
Are you claiming Obama has a 'strategy'?
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NIMBY said:
I don't call the VA Hospitals overflowing with older Veterans and Iraqi wounded at the end of 2008 as stable.
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Who could possibly care what you call it? The fact is that US President Obama called Iraq "Stable" and the US Vice President called it "this Administration's greatest achievement".
 
Grant said:
Obama wasn't briefed on Maliki before he pulled the troops? Why are you so desperate to pin the blame elsewhere when the evidence of who is actually responsible is available to everyone?

You don't understand what 'hackery' means, do you?
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I do, and you're a shining beacon of it.

I'm not saying Obama bears no responsibility for unrest in Iraq. But certainly not sole responsibility, as you are clearly pushing. Sell that bull**** someplace else.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Ben Rhodes said it. Obama also said it. I heard him saying it. Like I said I'm not watching clips. I heard it on the radio, the full speech, on POTUS (a politics only satellite radio channel).
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Well if you actually heard Barrack Obama saying those words I'll accept that.
 
Kobie said:
I do, and you're a shining beacon of it.

I'm not saying Obama bears no responsibility for unrest in Iraq. But certainly not sole responsibility, as you are clearly pushing. Sell that bull**** someplace else.
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I asked you who else is responsible and you blamed the hapless Maliki.

Iraq was not ready to stand alone, as was predicted by every intelligent political observer.
 
Grant said:
Who could possibly care what you call it?
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Then your choice to ignore the FACT that the VA was a total disaster--not their fault--due to Iraq is on you.
Don't forget, My Veteran Father was hospitalized in the VA and at a VH in late 2008 for the rest of his life if you want to go there.
The fact is that US President Obama called Iraq "Stable" and the US Vice President called it "this Administration's greatest achievement".
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Would you prefer Obama call Iraq unstable and have something else to complain about, as you have with his press conference ?
 
Grant said:
I asked you who else is responsible and you blamed the hapless Maliki.
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Yeah, that's how answering questions works.

Grant said:
Iraq was not ready to stand alone, as was predicted by every intelligent political observer.
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The Iraqis didn't want us there; the American people didn't want us to be there.
 
Which is why you respond.
Grant said:
Can you see why you're really not worthy of a serious response?

Nixon? Vietnam?
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A noteworthy comparison since the left is wrong to make it.

Let me know when yer ready to talk about WHY Obama is inept, instead of what we've seen from you the last few days since the presser .
 
Grant said:
Well if you actually heard Barrack Obama saying those words I'll accept that.
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He also said America will do what is necessary. Said that the Pentagon is weighing options. He has called ISIS a cancer that needs to be eliminated. He has already started air strikes against ISIS in Iraq, and his generals are saying we'll need to go into Syria as well which is what I expect he'll do next.

Now, on the discussion here about the blame for the situation in Iraq:

1. The situation there has been dire for DECADES or even centuries. To blame anybody exclusively for that mess is preposterous.
2. Bush started this whole current mess. If Saddam Hussein were still the president of Iraq, there would be no ISIS.
3. Maliki is a moron who got greedy and failed to implement an inclusive government that would have kept Iraq stable.

Now, this said, is Obama ALSO to blame?
Absolutely. He campaigned on ending the Iraq war; he did want an agreement to leave troops behind, didn't get it, got irritated and quit too soon without forcefully negotiating it, and pretended that that was what he wanted (trying to turn failure into an apparent fulfillment of a campaign promise). Again, with such agreement in place maybe ISIS wouldn't be there.

So, yes, Oblama is to blame. But not just Obama, obviously. The full history of the region + Bush + Maliki are all to blame as well. This much is obvious and ignoring it is simply risible.
 
This idea that "Iraq didn't want us there and neither did the American people" is exactly what leadership failure is.
The President of the United States and Commander in Chief should have

1. Explained to the American people why it was needed and then regardless of public opinion should have done what was necessary, being a statesman rather than a politician who reacts to polls. We elect the man to do the job of President and this involves making decisions even when tough and even when against public opinion. We are not a plebiscite-run country. We are not Switzerland. When the POTUS needs to act, he doesn't need to consult public opinion at every step.

2. Told Maliki "shut up and do what I'm telling you or else. Do you really think you can defy the might of the United States? Look at what happened to your predecessor who tried that."

Now, this said, I also blame partisan politics in Congress because in the past, Congress would generally be behind the POTUS in issues of external conflict, regardless of the party of the then occupant of the WH. This Congress now will prefer to shame the president than to present a united front to America's foes. So, it's tougher for the president to do like I said in item 1, without Congress support. Still, a true statesman would have obtained that support. Obama has little patience for Congress (with some good reason) but is generally too withdrawn and aloof, and definitely not a statesman (no statesman is as indecisive and withdrawn as Obama is).

Before you call me an Obama hater, do know that I voted for him, twice (although now I regret it - not that the alternative was any good, but if I had a time machine I'd go back and abstain).
 
Kobie said:
Yeah, that's how answering questions works.
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Only if the truth has no appeal.
The Iraqis didn't want us there; the American people didn't want us to be there.
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So you feel the American people prefer what's happening in Iraq now? The left probably does, but what about intelligent Americans? The electorate were told what would happen if the troops were removed but chose instead to follow the Grafter-in Chief. The evidence is inescapable.
 
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