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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

Meadowlark said:
Not surprised by the fact he doesn't have a plan but surprised that he announced it to the world in such blatant terms. That's what people that hate us will remember not the fact the WH came back later clarified. How could he be so careless considering that ISIS has threatened to put their flag over the White House.
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Evening ML. You are correct. Bad choice of words by BO peep. Naturally this is the nice way to put it so that the Bo Bots don't implode. Just sayin!
 
Grant said:
This is what we are fighting and it is evil. Let's not equivocate. ISIS terrorists film mass execution of 250 Syrian soldiers after forcing them to march through desert in their underwear - NY Daily News
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Yep, Grant then they executed them and placed the Dead bodies in the shape of a Crescent.



We don’t have a strategy,’ Obama says after ISIS death march video surfaces......

The startling — and troubling — admission came hours after videos surfaced showing ISIS militants marching scores of Syrian soldiers through the desert — stripped to their underwear and barefoot. The troops were then executed and their bodies were arranged in a crescent moon.

ISIS has more than $2 billion — more than other terror groups like the Taliban and Hezbollah, InTheCapital.com reported. While thought in January to have about 1,000 fighters, the number has ballooned to about 80,000. -Syrian rebel fighters captured more than 40 United Nations peacekeepers near the Israeli border Thursday.....snip~

‘We don’t have a strategy,’ Obama says after ISIS death march video surfaces - NY Daily News
 
MMC said:
Evening ML. You are correct. Bad choice of words by BO peep. Naturally this is the nice way to put it so that the Bo Bots don't implode. Just sayin!
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Would you give intel to Bachmann on the House Intelligence committee? :lamo

Do you still stand by "warhawk" Senators Ayotte, McCain and Graham in supporting the President in bombing Syria?

Not to mention Reps Kinzinger, Rogers and "I'm running for the Senate from Arkansas" Cotton?

Why should the President trust any GOP with intel when they just run to FOX and hammer him with it on the World stage,
directly/indirectly supporting bad actors like Putin, Assad and now ISIL ?
 
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NIMBY said:
As the President, would any of you trust Bachmann or Gohmert types with any intel?

They and their GOP "warhawks" like McCain/Ayotte/Graham have proven time and again
that they will repeat intel while blasting the President on the World stage giving Putin-types comfort .
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Heya Nimby. :2wave: Well since they are not the Chairs on Intel.....are you saying that Feinstein is wrong to tell BO. You best stay in touch and notify people ahead of time on things you plan to do and not after the fact.
 
MMC said:
We don’t have a strategy,’ Obama says after ISIS death march video surfaces......
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Part of the President's new strategy is to cut off the NYT and others from printing our plans.
Such as telling the enemy we are flying manned and unmanned flights over Syria.
Do you support the NYT doing this during our 13th year at WAR started by your team ?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
You can do better than bringing up the golf myth again. What a crock. All presidents need some down time. He's wired in 24/7 anyway.
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Silly, that only mattered when it was Bush.
 
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So just deflections to Feinstein, who I trust as far as I can throw Limbaugh.
MMC said:
Heya Nimby. :2wave: Well since they are not the Chairs on Intel.....are you saying that Feinstein is wrong to tell BO. You best stay in touch and notify people ahead of time on things you plan to do and not after the fact.
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Rogers is a chair and a regular on FOX with his "chess to marbles" nonsense.
Congress said no to bombing Syria.

Yet your team on FOX/Krauthammer wants multiple wars in Ukraine and Iraq/Syria.
Do you support boots on the ground, against the vast majority of American's wishes, both GOPs and Dems ?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Out of the last 10 years? We were in Iraq from 2003 to 2011. How did that help us? Why should we go right back in where we left off? How long do you want us there? 20? 30 years?



You know, I haven't heard jack **** from any of you regarding what YOU would actually do. We're focusing on air strikes and paramilitary raids, we don't need ground forces. The Iraqi and Syrian people have to decide for themselves that they don't want to tolerate extremism, we can't force it on them, we've tried.



We're using air strikes and not committing ground troops. How is that not a plan? Are you denying there are air strikes? I could understand you not liking the plan, but claiming there isn't one is ignoring reality.
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Heya RA. :2wave: Well some in the military can put together the basics of a strategy.....you didn't actually think they would have any trouble coming up with some plans, did you?. Which could be in the form of using others and including covert ops.

Do you think Air Strikes should just be surgical with an Advancing fighting army? If you are going to use Air Strikes on such an Army. Shouldn't one be taking out As many of that Army they can and not just look to hold them up? or make a strike with a small scalpel. One is using resources as is.....Correct?

Think non stop Strikes looking to target ALL of the Advancing Army, is more effective and more of morale breaker for the Terrorists?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I haven't heard jack **** from any of you regarding what YOU would actually do.
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We know what he right-wingers here will do, there're doing it, Criticize Obama regardless of what he does.

I am glad to see someone who thinks before he acts, unlike Dubya.
 
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NIMBY said:
So just deflections to Feinstein, who I trust as far as I can throw Limbaugh.


Rogers is a chair and a regular on FOX with his "chess to marbles" nonsense.
Congress said no to bombing Syria.

Yet your team on FOX/Krauthammer wants multiple wars in Ukraine and Iraq/Syria.
Do you support boots on the ground, against the vast majority of American's wishes, both GOPs and Dems ?
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That's what you started with on your lil speil about Bachmen and Goumert. Yeah Rogers is one.....who is the Other?

I Support Boots on the ground.....as that's what it will take to defeat this Enemy. Now they don't have to be all our Boots. As I have stated several times over. This is everybody's Problem and not just that of the US.

Now do you support taking out the terrorists.....or do you support the terrorists continuing on with what they are doing? Like many on your team thinks it is okay.

Do you want to get rid of the problem or do you want to wait until the problem becomes more of a major problem to deal with?
 
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Texmex said:
We know what he right-wingers here will do, there're doing it, Criticize Obama regardless of what he does.

I am glad to see someone who thinks before he acts, unlike Dubya.
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Well, whats your excuse for MSDNC and ABC and CBS criticizing Bo Peeps words? Or did you want to try and say they are Right Wingers?

Myself, I am glad to see how the left uninformed always remains the same.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.

No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.
 
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MMC said:
Well, whats your excuse for MSDNC and ABC and CBS criticizing Bo Peeps words? Or did you want to try and say they are Right Wingers?

Myself, I am glad to see how the left uninformed always remains the same.
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Of course I said that ONLY the right-wingers criticize Obama. :roll:

You are the one that ASSUMED more than what was posted. Then you back-handedly say that I'm the one who's uninformed. You should be :3oops:.
 
Grant said:
Have you actually heard of anyone who "hates" Obama?
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Pretty much any time I tune into right wing media or listen to their minions.

hate
verb (used with object).

1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest.

hate. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged. Random House, Inc. Hate | Define Hate at Dictionary.com (accessed: August 29, 2014).
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Grant said:
This would seem an attempt to garner sympathy for the poor guy.
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Your attempted strawman would seem to be an attempt to deflect from clearly observable fact. In any case, any sympathy should be directed at the haters since they are the ones with the shortcomings in the human development department.
 
Grant said:
But Obama has often been announcing military plans. He has given dates when he would withdraw troops from both Iraq and Afghanistan, or example.

I just googled 'Obama limited air strikes' and got these results. https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...-8#q=obama+limited+airstrikes&spell=1&tbm=nws

Perhaps these incoherent messages are designed to confuse the enemy but they are confusing any remaining Allies and the American people as well.
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Yeah Grant.....Seems BO has plans. It still involves getting rid of Assad. As Air Strikes on Syria has obstacles. Still he did come out and say that the US would give the Syrian people a better option than Assad or ISIL.



U.S. air strikes on Syria would face formidable obstacles....

American forces face formidable challenges as President Barack Obama considers an air assault on Islamist fighters in Syria, including intelligence gaps on potential targets, concerns about Syria’s air defenses and fears that the militants may have anti-aircraft weapons, current and former U.S. officials say. The Pentagon began preparing options for an assault on Islamic State fighters after the militants last week posted a gruesome video showing the beheading of American photojournalist James Foley. Deliberations by Obama’s national security team on expanding the campaign against Islamic State from Iraq into neighboring Syria gathered pace in recent days, officials say.

Efforts to hit the right targets in Syria will be more difficult than in Iraq, hindered by a shortage of reliable on-the-ground intelligence, in contrast to northern Iraq where Iraqi and Kurdish forces provided intelligence. U.S.-backed moderate rebels who could provide intelligence in Syria have yet to coalesce into a potent fighting force. It is unclear, for instance, if they can provide forward spotters needed to help guide any air strikes in territory held by Islamic State. Syria’s Russian-built air defense system is another concern. It remains largely intact more than three years into the country’s civil war.....snip~

U.S. air strikes on Syria would face formidable obstacles
 
Blue_State said:
Ya, you are right. He hasn't done anything to put the US and world into the current situation it is in. /s
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Not completely correct seeing that he has not only continued but expanded some misguided policies from the previous administration (Afghan war, drone strikes), but staying on topic the recent uprisings throughout the Middle East have been a long time coming (like since the Balkanization of the Ottoman empire), and mostly precipitated by the Bush/Cheney overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
 
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Texmex said:
Of course I said that ONLY the right-wingers criticize Obama. :roll:

You are the one that ASSUMED more than what was posted. Then you back-handedly say that I'm the one who's uninformed. You should be :3oops:.
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QUOTE=Texmex;1063699485]We know what he right-wingers here will do, there're doing it, Criticize Obama regardless of what he does.

I am glad to see someone who thinks before he acts, unlike Dubya.[/QUOTE]



Perhaps, you should think more as to how you bring that up and about when typing out your own words. Just sayin!
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Napoleon said:
The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.

No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.
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Heya Napolean. :2wave: That's not true. Maliki has been warning BO since Nov of last year.


Daily Beast: Obama Administration Had Warning on ISIS

Dozens of intelligence officers, diplomats, and others say they warned the Obama administration of the threat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) was posing to Iraq, and the collapse of Mosul wasn't just predictable, but expected. "It's simply not true that nobody saw a disaster like the fall of Mosul coming," Ali Khedery, a senior adviser at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, told The Daily Beast. "I can't speak for anyone else, but I literally predicted this in verbal warnings and in writing in 2010 that Iraq would fall apart."

On Nov. 1, 2013, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki visited the White House and asked Obama to send the military back into his country and help his Air Force develop targets for air strikes. His request came after Maliki celebrated when last troops left Iraq in 2011, but he was concerned about the serious threat ISIS and Sunni insurgents were posing. And just days later, Brett McGurk, a deputy assistant secretary of state and the Obama administration’s senior U.S. official in Baghdad, warned that ISIS was launching up to 40 suicide bombers a month. However, Maliki was rejected and McGurk's warnings were unheeded, as President Barack Obama's policy options were limited. Had he approved Maliki's request, he risked making the controversial leader more powerful. He did agree to sell nearly $11 billion of weapons to Maliki's military, but was unable to get the leader to reverse reforms in which he ousted some of his forces' better leaders in favor of installing his own supporters. And two months after Maliki's visit, Fallujah fell to ISIS and five months after that, Mosul fell. But meanwhile, intelligence analysts from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency were still issuing warnings that Iraq's military could not stand up to ISIS.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Daily Beast: Obama Administration Had Warning on ISIS
 
Grant said:
In fact what you are saying runs contrary to what Obama said. Who should we believe?
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No it doesn't. Obama is weighing all the options. Hence no quick decisions.
 
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MMC said:
Heya Napolean. :2wave: That's not true. Maliki has been warning BO since Nov of last year.
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Thankfully the President has gotten rid of Bush's boy Maliki, who started this crap with the way he treated the Sunnis.
Think that's why things are headed in a better direction in Iraq-3 ?
 
But, the thing is how do you fight them in country like Syria? We are living in a highly volatile world. I think that the president finds himself in a struggle trying to figure out what ought to be done in order to effectively deal with that terrorist group known as ISIS.
 
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NIMBY said:
Thankfully the President has gotten rid of Bush's boy Maliki, who started this crap with the way he treated the Sunnis.
Think that's why things are headed in a better direction in Iraq-3 ?
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Who did you say Voted in Maliki? Also how does this change the fact of Maliki visiting BO at the WH and asking for help in 2013? He also told BO.....that what was taking place with trying to remove Assad would spillover into Iraq. Which was concerning the MB backed Rebels. Who at that time had al Nusra as part of them.

Now.....how does that line from BO saying he didn't know anything until recently, work?
 
The US can plan and strategize until it's blue in the face and it won't make a bit of difference if the Sunni's and the people who actually live in the ME aren't on board with "the plan". I'm all for letting them fight their own battles.
 
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MMC said:
Who did you say Voted in Maliki? Also how does this change the fact of Maliki visiting BO at the WH and asking for help in 2013? He also told BO.....that what was taking place with trying to remove Assad would spillover into Iraq. Which was concerning the MB backed Rebels. Who at that time had al Nusra as part of them.

Now.....how does that line from BO saying he didn't know anything until recently, work?
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It does not work, and nobody is buying it.
 
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