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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

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RabidAlpaca said:
Europe was already civilized pre-war. The middle east has never been civilized. It's been a violent ****hole and no amount of us being there is going to change that. You can't force peace and prosperity on people, they have to choose it for themselves.
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The middle east is the birthplace of civilization itself. And so long as you are defending the common man from warlords and despots, you'll foster civilization. The good people that are prone to being civilized and peaceful are not generally effective at defending themselves from those that are not civilized and peaceful. They need help.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
I like that he calls a spade a spade. He came right out and called extremist islam the horrible evil that it is. However, I don't agree with a lot of the measures they want to implement, particularly in revoking UK citizens' citizenship without trial. That's a patriot act style government overreach that could be direly misused. If the evidence that they're terrorists is so water tight, a trial should be open and shut.



Europe was already civilized pre-war. The middle east has never been civilized. It's been a violent ****hole and no amount of us being there is going to change that. You can't force peace and prosperity on people, they have to choose it for themselves.
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We need to, "civilize'em with a Krag"
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
And what exactly is your master plan? Keep in mind it needs to be more detailed than: KILL EM ALL!

"Staying the **** out of it" IS a plan, and it's the plan most Americans want.
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We can deal with them now, or deal with them later. They're not going away.
 
American said:
Saudi king warns West will be jihadists' next target

The Jackass-in-Chief is in deep trouble. His policies are worthless. Maybe he'll challenge them to a round of golf.
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Yeah he told them like it is. But don't worry Kerry is on the job.


"If we ignore them, I am sure they will reach Europe in a month and America in another month," he said in remarks quoted on Saturday by Asharq al-Awsat daily and Saudi-backed Al-Arabiya television station. "Terrorism knows no border and its danger could affect several countries outside the Middle East," said the king who was speaking at a welcoming ceremony on Friday for new ambassadors, including a new envoy from Saudi ally the United States. "It is no secret to you, what they have done and what they have yet to do. I ask you to transmit this message to your leaders: 'Fight terrorism with force, reason and (necessary) speed'."

US Secretary of State John Kerry called Friday for a global coalition to combat Islamic State fighters' "genocidal agenda"Writing in the New York Times, Kerry said he and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will meet European counterparts on the sidelines of a NATO summit in Wales next week, to enlist assistance.....snip~

Saudi king warns West will be jihadists' next target
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

EnigmaO01 said:
We didn't interfere. We stayed clear because the alternatives were't good either, much to the consternation of war mongers like McCain and Lindsey Graham. At least we got the chemical weapons destroyed.

I could easily make the case that Russia meddled more than we did as they supported the Assad regime.
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Well, we didn't overtly interfere. However, the US has actively been aiding the Syrian rebels for quite some time now.
 
Grant said:
He said was he was thinking and planning. Nada!
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I know, being a Bush supporter, these concepts seem foreign to you, but it's the way most of the world operates.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

mac said:
The middle east is the birthplace of civilization itself. And so long as you are defending the common man from warlords and despots, you'll foster civilization. The good people that are prone to being civilized and peaceful are not generally effective at defending themselves from those that are not civilized and peaceful. They need help.
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The latest intelligence state a bubonic plague weapon is in the works to be released in several countries and we will be on that list!!
 
Grant said:
Your claiming anyone "hates" Obama is silly. That he is called incompetent, not very bright, out of is depth, narcissistic, a liar, naive, etc. is undeniable. But no one of any stature actually "hates' him. You're just trying to get sympathy for the fool.
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I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy

It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress :)
 
Karl said:
I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy

It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress :)
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Race card alert!
 
rhinefire said:
The latest intelligence state a bubonic plague weapon is in the works to be released in several countries and we will be on that list!!
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MMC said:
Heya Grip. :2wave: Well that's what the Recon flights over Syria is for, since we really have no eyes on the ground.



He also noted that he had asked Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel -- and his joint chiefs of staff -- to furnish him with “a range of options” to finally deal with these violent and bloodthirsty terrorists.

Obama: We Have No Strategy to Fight ISIS; Ukraine Wasn
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We have satellites that can spot a pimple on their butts, though they don't tell us who are rebels or Jihadists. We need intel on the ground to identify targets.

As long as ISIL doesn't attack US soil, Obama may not do much more than the occasional air attacks to support Iraqi and Kurdish troops. First time they do some serious damage to Americans and all bets are off. The pressure to act will compel a campaign against them.

Obama cautions against using force to solve crises



Grant said:
Your analogy is incorrect but, in any case, evil acts do not depend on numbers.

Your 'Blame America First' excuse, and that of your predictable 'liker', is duly noted.
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Can you even tell me what 'evil' is beyond 'dark magic'?

I look at things from a realistic prospective, not patriotic fanaticism. America is the place I'll defend but it's not perfect.
Duly note that.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

NIMBY said:
Not one that he is willing to share with the Press/GOP yet. Such as the NYT telling the World we're flying manned and unmanned flights over Syria.
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Yes, it must have really come as a shock to the terrorists that BHO is sending drones out to kill suspected terrorists, though, after a few years, they were probably becoming suspicious.
I'm just disappointed it took the President this long to learn how to play the opposition's game .
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Unless the opposition's game is golf, he really hasn't learned much at all. Word on the avenue is that he has more advisers on the golf course than he does in the White House.
 
Texmex said:
I know, being a Bush supporter, these concepts seem foreign to you, but it's the way most of the world operates.
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Probably why Islam will be running Europe pretty soon.
 
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mac said:
We left, now we're going back...for more war. Had we stayed we would have been able to bring the violence to an end....permanently. That's not being a war hawk, that's committing to do whatever it takes to stabilize a region and end the cycle of warfare. Just like we did in Europe.
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That succinct observation deserves five stars.
 
grip said:
We have satellites that can spot a pimple on their butts, though they don't tell us who are rebels or Jihadists. We need intel on the ground to identify targets.

As long as ISIL doesn't attack US soil, Obama may not do much more than the occasional air attacks to support Iraqi and Kurdish troops. First time they do some serious damage to Americans and all bets are off. The pressure to act will compel a campaign against them.

Obama cautions against using force to solve crises





Can you even tell me what 'evil' is beyond 'dark magic'?

I look at things from a realistic prospective, not patriotic fanaticism. America is the place I'll defend but it's not perfect.
Duly note that.
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Yeah, I have a different piece up with what the Obstacles are in Syria.

Seems BO wasn't so truthful about his not having plans.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/203469-us-arms-lebanon-fight-against-jihadists.html

Although.....I still don't get why he would give weapons to those who would just give them to Hezbollah.
 
American said:
Probably why Islam will be running Europe pretty soon.
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If you are concerned, go to Europe and fight against their overthrow. I believe your statement is pure hyperbole.
 
Texmex said:
If you are concerned, go to Europe and fight against their overthrow. I believe your statement is pure hyperbole.
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Just as yours was.
 
Grant said:
I'm not sure he cares. He'll always have the good life and if anything goes wrong he'll blame someone else. He's a street grifter who somehow hit the jackpot, and he knows it.
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He's an incompetent boob, and we're likely to see another one in office if Hillary should win.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

mac said:
The middle east is the birthplace of civilization itself. And so long as you are defending the common man from warlords and despots, you'll foster civilization. The good people that are prone to being civilized and peaceful are not generally effective at defending themselves from those that are not civilized and peaceful. They need help.
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And the Europeans he defends were not all that civilized either. In fact their 'civilization' only allowed them to murder Jews more efficiently and on a grander scale..
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

apdst said:
We can deal with them now, or deal with them later. They're not going away.
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Not dealing with them seems to have encouraged a lot of the Jayvees to get on board that bound for glory Jihad Train.
 
MMC said:
Yeah, I have a different piece up with what the Obstacles are in Syria.

Seems BO wasn't so truthful about his not having plans.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/203469-us-arms-lebanon-fight-against-jihadists.html

Although.....I still don't get why he would give weapons to those who would just give them to Hezbollah.
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That's the problem with supplying rebels, because you don't know who they will affiliate themselves with and make trades. It's becoming a messed up situation, where we don't know who to support.

For now, I think the Obama plan is to keep the conflict contained within it's current geographic boundaries, so as not to widen its scope or draw in other surrounding countries (Jordan, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc).
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Grant said:
And the Europeans he defends were not all that civilized either. In fact their 'civilization' only allowed them to murder Jews more efficiently and on a grander scale..
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Further, I don't see how one can consider a region that was locked in constant warfare to be any more civilized than any other region.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Mr. Invisible said:
Well, we didn't overtly interfere. However, the US has actively been aiding the Syrian rebels for quite some time now.
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Obama doesn't seem to know who the good guys or bad guys are. "Rebels" has no meaning.
 
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