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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, if you consider being right from Russia's perspective only. With Syria now a snake pit of competing interests and the birthplace of a radical islamic caliphate, Russia now sees the US occupied by a hornets nest of their own making leaving Russia relatively free to cause havoc in their sphere of influence. But from everyone else's perspective, had the US and western allies gotten involved in Syria when the students first started their protest, before all the bad actors around the middle east flooded in, there likely would not be an ISIS to be concerned about now.
    There has been covert US support in Syria from the beginning. Had the US and other regional states not injected themselves, president Assad would have put the insurrection down early on, there wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians and IS wouldn't have found the blossoming room that they did. And further, IS got its start in Iraq, another place that the US created a power vacuum in, so they WOULD still exist, but not likely as powerful as they are at present.
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria | Fox News

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    at least he finally admitted it.
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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There has been covert US support in Syria from the beginning. Had the US and other regional states not injected themselves, president Assad would have put the insurrection down early on, there wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians and IS wouldn't have found the blossoming room that they did. And further, IS got its start in Iraq, another place that the US created a power vacuum in, so they WOULD still exist, but not likely as powerful as they are at present.
    Actually, ISIS got its start in Syria, made up in large part by Sunni Iraqis who went into Syria to join the fight. Once formed, they decided to spread their good cheer back into a weakly led Iraq and onward to other likely weak sisters of the middle east.
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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And what exactly is your master plan? Keep in mind it needs to be more detailed than: KILL EM ALL!

    "Staying the **** out of it" IS a plan, and it's the plan most Americans want.
    False.

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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Riiiiiiiiight! LMAO
    Yea, defend the indefensible.

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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, ISIS got its start in Syria, made up in large part by Sunni Iraqis who went into Syria to join the fight. Once formed, they decided to spread their good cheer back into a weakly led Iraq and onward to other likely weak sisters of the middle east.
    Um, NO!

    Initially centered on Iraq and known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), ISIS added the second S for Syria to its name as that nation's civil war erupted several years ago, according to Aaron Y. Zelin of the Washington Institute.

    That once-peripheral figure has become known to the world now as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-appointed caliph of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and the architect of its violent campaign to redraw the map of the Middle East.

    “He was a street thug when we picked him up in 2004,” said a Pentagon official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. “It’s hard to imagine we could have had a crystal ball then that would tell us he’d become head of ISIS.”

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    At every turn, Mr. Baghdadi’s rise has been shaped by the United States’ involvement in Iraq — most of the political changes that fueled his fight, or led to his promotion, were born directly from some American action. And now he has forced a new chapter of that intervention, after ISIS’ military successes and brutal massacres of minorities in its advance prompted President Obama to order airstrikes in Iraq.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/wo...f-a-rebel.html

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/wh...n-iraq-124853/
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah, I think they're moving things around right now and don't want to telegraph their punch.
    Any action by the US has to be in response to direct aggression with a planned objective. Right now, I'm not sure what the objective would be, short of trying to diminish the power and control of ISIS, but because they're made up of indigenous people, it might impossible to completely wipe them out. Super powers don't have a great history of winning 'limited' wars against a countries people within their own borders.


    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So the proper, reasoned response would have been "we are working on several scenarios at this point in time, none of which are currently actionable as we speak".
    He probably believes people already knew that much. He was really announcing that he's not ready to act on any plans as of yet, I think?
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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Another fabrication.
    Prove that?

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    He probably believes people already knew that much. He was really announcing that he's not ready to act on any plans as of yet, I think?
    Barrack Obama has been getting the benefit of any doubt since he was elected the first time. Perhaps it's pride, or stubbornness, or plain party loyalty, that many can't admit they elected Chance the Gardener as President.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Barrack Obama has been getting the benefit of any doubt since he was elected the first time. Perhaps it's pride, or stubbornness, or plain party loyalty, that many can't admit they elected Chance the Gardener as President.
    Not the President, nor any part of the gov't will announce to the Media prior to an attack. They're probably moving assets into place that will work with those already there before launching any coordinated offensive.
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