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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    He also said America will do what is necessary. Said that the Pentagon is weighing options. He has called ISIS a cancer that needs to be eliminated. He has already started air strikes against ISIS in Iraq, and his generals are saying we'll need to go into Syria as well which is what I expect he'll do next.

    Now, on the discussion here about the blame for the situation in Iraq:

    1. The situation there has been dire for DECADES or even centuries. To blame anybody exclusively for that mess is preposterous.
    2. Bush started this whole current mess. If Saddam Hussein were still the president of Iraq, there would be no ISIS.
    3. Maliki is a moron who got greedy and failed to implement an inclusive government that would have kept Iraq stable.

    Now, this said, is Obama ALSO to blame?
    Absolutely. He campaigned on ending the Iraq war; he did want an agreement to leave troops behind, didn't get it, got irritated and quit too soon without forcefully negotiating it, and pretended that that was what he wanted (trying to turn failure into an apparent fulfillment of a campaign promise). Again, with such agreement in place maybe ISIS wouldn't be there.

    So, yes, Oblama is to blame. But not just Obama, obviously. The full history of the region + Bush + Maliki are all to blame as well. This much is obvious and ignoring it is simply risible.
    Obama in 2011: ‘We’re Leaving Behind A Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq’

    Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_t-YCnZKg8

    This pretty much sums up recent Iraqi history.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, that's how answering questions works.



    The Iraqis didn't want us there; the American people didn't want us to be there.
    Grant doesn't care. Using the lives of the American soldier to score political points is par for the course for his kind.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not arguing with that; I don't think Obama has handled the situation well at all. But neither have a lot of other people, as you said previously.
    Obama was the one in charge, the one who made the decision to pull the troops, the one who is responsible for what is going on there now.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Grant doesn't care. Using the lives of the American soldier to score political points is par for the course for his kind.
    That's false, of course, but even more lives will be lost because the troops aren't there maintaining the stable situation which was in Iraq at the time.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama was the one in charge, the one who made the decision to pull the troops, the one who is responsible for what is going on there now.
    So the person who created the mess bears no responsibility, and the person who was in charge of Iraq bears no responsibility.

    Just Obama. Only Obama. Gotcha.

    You might want to ask yourself the question you asked me earlier regarding "hackery"?
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You're so nice.

    You think "the left" is happy ISIS is murdering people. This conversation is over.
    I said "probably", and you can read the posts from Leftists as easily as me. They were told what would happen and ignored it, or refused to believe. If you want to be a leftists you should be prepared to accept the responsibility and the history that comes with it.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I specifically asked you which wing of the TEA-party you're from.
    Are there wings, I wouldn't know? I don't recall saying anything about being in the Tea Party, though we may have the same conservative values.

    The Rand Paul wing that complains when the President bombs and drones.
    Or the Ted Cruz wing that makes fun of the President in world view when comparing him to Putin?
    Do they have their own "wings"? Again, I don't know.

    And do tell which of your constituional rights Mr. Obama is stomping on .
    Is that a joke? Recess appointments, the dream act, many examples of him altering laws or deciding that he will not enforce them, etc... That's just a tiny bit, but enough to impeach a president.
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So the person who created the mess bears no responsibility, and the person who was in charge of Iraq bears no responsibility.

    Just Obama. Only Obama. Gotcha.

    You might want to ask yourself the question you asked me earlier regarding "hackery"?
    Who else but Obama????? Obama was in charge when Iraq was stable. Now after he pulled the troops, against the advice of the military, thousands of people are dead and the military is having to go back. He is clearly responsible. No???

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    What an incredibly misguided thread.
    It discusses something that the President never really indicated, that there would be no strategy.
    Right after he said that there is no strategy *yet* he added that the Pentagon is currently studying what's the best strategy, and soon there will be a conclusion, then action. And he added "America will do what is necessary."

    So this entire thread is just picking on the fact that the president didn't lie by pretending that a conclusion had already been reached.
    Sorry, we don't all have special Obama decoder rings to get the message that you got. This probably would not matter all that much, it would be just a gaffe, but it's another in a long line of screw ups by this disaster of a president.
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Sorry, we don't all have special Obama decoder rings to get the message that you got. This probably would not matter all that much, it would be just a gaffe, but it's another in a long line of screw ups by this disaster of a president.
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