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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I asked you who else is responsible and you blamed the hapless Maliki.
    Yeah, that's how answering questions works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Iraq was not ready to stand alone, as was predicted by every intelligent political observer.
    The Iraqis didn't want us there; the American people didn't want us to be there.
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Which is why you respond.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can you see why you're really not worthy of a serious response?

    Nixon? Vietnam?
    A noteworthy comparison since the left is wrong to make it.

    Let me know when yer ready to talk about WHY Obama is inept, instead of what we've seen from you the last few days since the presser .
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well if you actually heard Barrack Obama saying those words I'll accept that.
    He also said America will do what is necessary. Said that the Pentagon is weighing options. He has called ISIS a cancer that needs to be eliminated. He has already started air strikes against ISIS in Iraq, and his generals are saying we'll need to go into Syria as well which is what I expect he'll do next.

    Now, on the discussion here about the blame for the situation in Iraq:

    1. The situation there has been dire for DECADES or even centuries. To blame anybody exclusively for that mess is preposterous.
    2. Bush started this whole current mess. If Saddam Hussein were still the president of Iraq, there would be no ISIS.
    3. Maliki is a moron who got greedy and failed to implement an inclusive government that would have kept Iraq stable.

    Now, this said, is Obama ALSO to blame?
    Absolutely. He campaigned on ending the Iraq war; he did want an agreement to leave troops behind, didn't get it, got irritated and quit too soon without forcefully negotiating it, and pretended that that was what he wanted (trying to turn failure into an apparent fulfillment of a campaign promise). Again, with such agreement in place maybe ISIS wouldn't be there.

    So, yes, Oblama is to blame. But not just Obama, obviously. The full history of the region + Bush + Maliki are all to blame as well. This much is obvious and ignoring it is simply risible.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    This idea that "Iraq didn't want us there and neither did the American people" is exactly what leadership failure is.
    The President of the United States and Commander in Chief should have

    1. Explained to the American people why it was needed and then regardless of public opinion should have done what was necessary, being a statesman rather than a politician who reacts to polls. We elect the man to do the job of President and this involves making decisions even when tough and even when against public opinion. We are not a plebiscite-run country. We are not Switzerland. When the POTUS needs to act, he doesn't need to consult public opinion at every step.

    2. Told Maliki "shut up and do what I'm telling you or else. Do you really think you can defy the might of the United States? Look at what happened to your predecessor who tried that."

    Now, this said, I also blame partisan politics in Congress because in the past, Congress would generally be behind the POTUS in issues of external conflict, regardless of the party of the then occupant of the WH. This Congress now will prefer to shame the president than to present a united front to America's foes. So, it's tougher for the president to do like I said in item 1, without Congress support. Still, a true statesman would have obtained that support. Obama has little patience for Congress (with some good reason) but is generally too withdrawn and aloof, and definitely not a statesman (no statesman is as indecisive and withdrawn as Obama is).

    Before you call me an Obama hater, do know that I voted for him, twice (although now I regret it - not that the alternative was any good, but if I had a time machine I'd go back and abstain).

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, that's how answering questions works.
    Only if the truth has no appeal.
    The Iraqis didn't want us there; the American people didn't want us to be there.
    So you feel the American people prefer what's happening in Iraq now? The left probably does, but what about intelligent Americans? The electorate were told what would happen if the troops were removed but chose instead to follow the Grafter-in Chief. The evidence is inescapable.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Now, like I said, even though I don't approve of the president's foreign policy, specifically against terrorism he is not as weak as he is depicted by the right.

    Just today, we've just launched an attack on Al Shabaab militants in Somalia (breaking news right now). This president is actually very active against terrorists, which is one of the reasons why I expect he'll hit ISIS hard.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Only if the truth has no appeal.
    So you feel the American people prefer what's happening in Iraq now? The left probably does, but what about intelligent Americans? The electorate were told what would happen if the troops were removed but chose instead to follow the Grafter-in Chief. The evidence is inescapable.
    You're so nice.

    You think "the left" is happy ISIS is murdering people. This conversation is over.
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    By law, the President had to report to the Congress today about his actions last week in Syria.
    Good to see he's been on the job eh bombing ISIL and following the law eh ?
    Grant, the master of deflection and not answering the question. Don't expect anything else.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    This idea that "Iraq didn't want us there and neither did the American people" is exactly what leadership failure is.
    Not arguing with that; I don't think Obama has handled the situation well at all. But neither have a lot of other people, as you said previously.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    As one who has seldom, if ever, supported Obama, I must here.

    Congrats, a president that admits to what every other president in recent history has neglected to mention....attack first, plan later.

    Look, you were in Vietnam how long? What was the plan there when the US rejected please from Ho Chi Minh for help and attacked him instead? What was the "plan" in the second Iraq war? That one sure worked...fire everyone with a gun, kick them out of a job and expect them to line the streets waving home made flags?

    What IS the plan in Afghanistan, besides killing every living thing you see? If there is one, can someone point to what that looks like?

    He got honest for once in his administration....must be something in the water
    Id be willing to bet that there is a lot of black op stuff going on if not our troops doing moves then attempts to buy assassination plot. Crap that a prez can never say... "Yeah we gotta plan but you won't ever know what it is."
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