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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope, not what I mean at all. He's not going to think, he is lost. Don't worry, he's not impressing anyone that has a clue.
    There's this kind of stupidity that's infected so many Americans because of the internet and the digital age. We expect immediate action in response to any drastic situation that's caused anger or outrage. Shirley Sherrod said something racist? She must be fired! ISIS is a major threat?! Bomb them sky high tomorrow!

    The best course of action is considering all options and then doing the smart thing, not taking stupid but immediate action because there's some angry guy on the internet who's saying "won't somebody think of the children?!"
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It's about time someone other than the USA got off their scared asses.
    Did you notice that Cameron actually got his head out of his ass long enough to use the word "appease" today.

    As for the Saud you're so impressed with for damning Obama as you say, who do you think is funding ISIL ?

    You really do need to read up some International Politics to think I am impressed with the Saud.

    I think the Kurds standing up all along have shown they are our ally. That they can be trusted. Showed there was someone there to jump on it. They just need to be able to get in range. So they need heavy weapons to do so.

    ISIL is worth 2 Billion Nimby. They make millions off of the black market selling Oil for 30 dollars a barrel US. They have been collecting ransoms from the Europeans for some time now. Which doesn't count the banks they have taken either.

    Oh, and Qatar and Pakistan are two doing funding.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    You really do need to read up some International Politics to think I am impressed with the Saud
    Spare dp with what we need to read up on.

    I think the Kurds standing up all along have shown they are our ally. That they can be trusted. Showed there was someone there to jump on it. They just need to be able to get in range. So they need heavy weapons to do so.
    Good thing the President bombed ISIL at the dam and Irkut huh?
    And too bad Biden wasn't listened to with his solution .
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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    We know what he right-wingers here will do, there're doing it, Criticize Obama regardless of what he does.

    I am glad to see someone who thinks before he acts, unlike Dubya.
    I'm just rather confused by it honestly. Nobody has a better solution, and what Obama is doing is rather reasonable. I for one don't want to reinvade Iraq, but the war monkeys around here seem to.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya RA. Well some in the military can put together the basics of a strategy.....you didn't actually think they would have any trouble coming up with some plans, did you?. Which could be in the form of using others and including covert ops.

    Do you think Air Strikes should just be surgical with an Advancing fighting army? If you are going to use Air Strikes on such an Army. Shouldn't one be taking out As many of that Army they can and not just look to hold them up? or make a strike with a small scalpel. One is using resources as is.....Correct?

    Think non stop Strikes looking to target ALL of the Advancing Army, is more effective and more of morale breaker for the Terrorists?
    From what I understand we have committed air strikes and special operations. [1] Allegedly we've reformed Task Force Black from the Iraq war, which is a joint task force with the Brits to be a general nuisance to ISIS.
    CIA + Special Ops + Air strikes = Effectiveness for cheap.

    Recently they helped protect and evacuate Yazidi civilians.
    US troops land on Iraq's Mt Sinjar to plan for Yazidi evacuation | World news | theguardian.com

    I just see no other reason to get involved. It seems like people have forgotten how bloody, costly, and ineffective it has been in Iraq and Afghanistan to have ground troops on every streetcorner and mountain top

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I want us there as long as it takes....like we did in Europe.



    Then you haven't been listening. I would establish a persistant force in Iraq...preferably a UN force, but if not, a US force....much like we did in Europe and Japan post WWII and follow it with an Iraqi version of the Marshall plan.



    We have committed ground troops. There are US "boots on the ground".
    LOL. You're one of the John McCain "We'll stay for 99 years if we have to" types. War hawks like yourself can't be reasoned with. Must be easy as **** to demand action from your armchair.

    When the entire middle east is ridden of violence and is a peaceful democracy, then mac declares our soldiers may come home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Love that old saw, we have to rebuild at home! We need a leader that can take action as needed, not one that is caught by surprise every time a crisis occurs.
    He's presented his decisive plan: CIA + Special Ops + Drone strikes. How is that not a plan? This is happening right now, but because he didn't present it to YOU on American TV he must not have a plan. You do realize he doesn't run his decisions by you first, right?

    And you've still refused to tell us what YOUR master plan is.
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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm just rather confused by it honestly. Nobody has a better solution, and what Obama is doing is rather reasonable. I for one don't want to reinvade Iraq, but the war monkeys around here seem to.
    What did you think of PM Cameron's comments today?
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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    In WWII we executed 120,000+ in one stroke with 2 A-bombs. Evil in your terms is relative.
    Your analogy is incorrect but, in any case, evil acts do not depend on numbers.

    Your 'Blame America First' excuse, and that of your predictable 'liker', is duly noted.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'd rather have the President not tell the press or GOP anything about what he is thinking and planning.

    We saw the NYT tell the World we were flying manned and unmanned flights over Syria.

    These folks seem to forget we are still at WAR .
    He said was he was thinking and planning. Nada!

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    Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.

    No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.
    In fact what happened was predicted by many, including the Mitt Romney during the last Presidential campaign when Obama was saying (though later claiming it wasn't his idea!) that he would pull all the troops from Iraq.. If Obama is thinking long and hard about anything it is probably related to his golf game or Michelle.
    This is Romney here:
    “Yeah. A couple of things. One, you probably know that it is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake and a failing by the Obama administration. Secretary Panetta and others had indicated they were working to put in place a Status of Forces Agreement to maintain our presence there, so that we could most effectively transition to the Iraqi military and Iraqi security forces providing security for their country.
    The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate. It’s more than unfortunate. I think it’s tragic. It puts at risk many of the victories that were hard-won by the men and women who have served there. I hope the risk is not realized. I hope instead that the Iraqis are able to pick up the baton, and despite the fact that we will have walked away on a too-rapid basis.”

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Pretty much any time I tune into right wing media or listen to their minions.



    Your attempted strawman would seem to be an attempt to deflect from clearly observable fact. In any case, any sympathy should be directed at the haters since they are the ones with the shortcomings in the human development department.
    Your claiming anyone "hates" Obama is silly. That he is called incompetent, not very bright, out of is depth, narcissistic, a liar, naive, etc. is undeniable. But no one of any stature actually "hates' him. You're just trying to get sympathy for the fool.

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    re: Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No it doesn't. Obama is weighing all the options. Hence no quick decisions.
    He doesn't yet have a strategy on which he can make a decision. Strategies, exigency plans, possibilities on how to react to different situations, etc., should have been in place years ago, as has always been the case in the past. That's why these expert planners and advisers are hired.

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