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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Look at the headlin. 33% of Americans on welfare. It says what it says. Course the real figure is under 5%. But yea, close enough for Fox.
    What I said was government assistance and if you find the census bureau as a credible source then the figures are pretty close in 2012 and a lot higher than 5%.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I guess you didn't actually read the link in the OP? It defines "welfare" by including many government assisted programs that weren't identified in the link you posted, which was pretty specific to welfare checks and food stamps.
    And VA benefits. And student loans. And the Cato institute calculated a "total welfare package" that is ridiculous. And ignores the fact that the vast majority of households receiving these benefits are working families.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    My remark form another thread. I was lazy and just cut and pasted. I also didn't mention VA in the remarks below.

    I get where they are going with these articles but they don't paint a whole picture. I agree to a point but they cherry picked data and spun it.

    First they don't give a statistical breakdown.
    Second, they don't include that people have contributed towards Social Security and Federal Retirement.
    They don't mention the military so I would assume they included the military in the data.
    They don't mention retired military.
    This is just off the top of my head, without thinking about it much.

    I receive money from FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System) that I contributed. They collect a higher percentage of a federal employees pay than they pay out. They collect it longer than a federal employee will collect it for. Net gain, government. I contributed more than I will get back.
    They don't mention that the people that are retired on Social Security contributed more than they will ever get. Net gain, government.

    I am not saying that there aren't a massive amount of free loaders because there are. I am saying that this data is flawed as it is presented.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    The OP was intentionally misleading and dishonest. Why are the conservatives defending it?
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    From a Democrats perspective the more dependency = the better politically for them.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The OP was intentionally misleading and dishonest. Why are the conservatives defending it?
    Perhaps others aren't trying to split hairs to find an out to the overall premise presented in the OP.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits | Fox News



    This should be shocking to everyone, no matter which way they lean.
    1/3 is significantly less than 47%. Are you telling me that Mitt was wrong?


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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    From a Democrats perspective the more dependency = the better politically for them.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    The difference between 5% and 33% is only spliting hairs when Fox is doing the spinning. It is a straight up dishonest headline. Come on, you guys can admit it.
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    Perhaps others aren't trying to split hairs to find an out to the overall premise presented in the OP.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And VA benefits. And student loans. And the Cato institute calculated a "total welfare package" that is ridiculous. And ignores the fact that the vast majority of households receiving these benefits are working families.
    So call them up and tell them that.

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