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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS...cut the anecdotal crap and argue fact.
    Hah! I have been arguing a combination of facts and personal experience. You, on the other hand, have provided zero to the conversation.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah! I have been arguing a combination of facts and personal experience. You, on the other hand, have provided zero to the conversation.
    Other than pointing out the falsehoods in your posts.

    Go on and show via fact based argument that "most" do not want to work.....and the level of wage reporting fraud.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And I am stating from experience having served thousands of able bodied welfare recipients over the course of my career that it really is simply that a lot of them simply don't want a job.

    Not all, though. Some of my clients still inspire me to this day.

    I had one client who I saw when she first entered the country as a refugee form Vietnam. When she was young she stepped on a landmine and the explosion took off both of her arms at the elbow. As is the case in all communist countries, the Vietnam government was not very kind to the young disabled girl. When a couple of missionaries found her in the late 90s she was in an invalid camp barely subsisting. The missionaries fought for a year to get her out of Vietnam, and eventually won because Vietnam, as I said, was not to fond of the disabled.

    She came to the office with a translator and a big smile plastered across her face. I was told that she was simply stunned that fortune had smiled on her. She didn't know such a world as suburban Washington DC actually existed. She had a place to stay, food to eat, and above all, opportunity -- a concept she was only now becoming aware of.

    She was processed and given her 9 months of Refugee benefits.

    4 months later I received a letter stating that she would like to schedule a meeting to discuss her benefits. I was used to this and assumed she wanted to talk about the next step which was to discuss other benefits after the Refugee benefits ran out, and with her disability it would just be a stop gap while waiting for SSI. I was wrong.

    She came in without a translator, speaking English well enough to speak for herself, with a little coaching, and she was there just to request her benefits be closed. She had found a job working at a small Vietnamese grocery, and was planning on finishing her ESL classes and then getting her GED. She then proceeded to fill out the exit-interview paper work by herself holding the pen in her elbows

    What she accomplished in 4 months makes 5 years on welfare seem like an eternity. And she was a rare bright spot in that depressing job.
    That's all well and good, but they're anecdotes. I prefer hard facts and while there certainly are people who have no desire to work, I don't think it accounts for the majority of the able-bodied.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope...I was 21 when I entered the Army.
    I know that was a personal question, and I apologize for asking it. But it's answer is quite telling.

    Prior to joining the military, you had no "career". No mortgage, no kids, I presume? Sure, not right out of highschool, but you were still a young punk when you did join.

    I point this out, to illustrate perhaps a reason behind your belief in the concept of getting another job if the current one doesn't suit you or your needs.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Isn't it the entire raison d'etre of the advertising and media industries to convince people that they NEED the things that they otherwise might merely want? Generating, encouraging and pandering to rampant consumerism has been market capitalism's core strategy for decades now. It's like germ warfare - it's hardly fair or just to castigate someone for falling ill when they've been deliberately infected with a pathogen.
    By that same token, alcoholics should blame the alcohol, and not their own short comings.


    But you have a point. Frugality would destroy our economy.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's all well and good, but they're anecdotes. I prefer hard facts and while there certainly are people who have no desire to work, I don't think it accounts for the majority of the able-bodied.
    I can provide similar anecdotal evidence, and I oversee depts in 6 wholesale stores that are making over 1mil in sales per week, except EBT week, which bumps up sales usually by a minimum of 12 percent.

    I don't presume to know who outnumbers who...the lazy, or the downright down trodden....but I can say for certain, the lazy make themselves the most visible.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I can provide similar anecdotal evidence, and I oversee depts in 6 wholesale stores that are making over 1mil in sales per week, except EBT week, which bumps up sales usually by a minimum of 12 percent.

    I don't presume to know who outnumbers who...the lazy, or the downright down trodden....but I can say for certain, the lazy make themselves the most visible.
    Having worked in offices for most of my professional life, I can say that has been my experience too.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Having worked in offices for most of my professional life, I can say that has been my experience too.
    They almost revel in it. Like, look at me, I make the same as you or more, and I don't gotta do **** to do it, lol!

    I also see a lot of cheaters. Like, people who use EBT to buy 20 cases of redbull (which have 32 redbulls per case, and cost over 50 bucks), or entire pallets of candy bars. These people are using EBT to buy product for resale. Yup. The few, the proud, the small business owner cheaters.

    I also see my share of people who refuse pay raises, or promotions, every year. When asked why? Doing so would bump them off of certain financial aid. Quite a LOT of people, actually. The majority? I can't say. But enough to cause me concern.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If you don't want to give to the union then you don't have the right to the union job.

    Don't be a taker... even worse, taking from your fellow co-workers instead of taking from the government
    Bull ****! The Union does NOT own those jobs. We don't live in a Socialist state yet Karl, as much as you yearn for it.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Bull ****! The Union does NOT own those jobs. [...]
    You might want to read up on contract law, which would inform you that -- aside from varying and changing government interference -- an exclusive contract between a union and an employer would mean that the union certainly does 'own' those jobs, at least with respect to requiring that a union member in good standing fill those jobs. This is called a "closed shop".

    Anyone venturing into debate on labor unions should be familiar with that, or risk looking foolish and uninformed. Or hysterical.

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