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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    Since most people on welfare do work (or are incapable of working) your claim that a willingness to accept a min wage job is clearly false.
    SNAP data from 2011 shows 42% of able bodied people in the program are actually working. So "most" isn't correct. And I guarantee you that "most" of the transient recipients come from that 42% minority.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    SNAP data from 2011 shows 42% of able bodied people in the program are actually working. So "most" isn't correct. And I guarantee you that "most" of the transient recipients come from that 42% minority.
    2011?

    More recent #'s say the opposite

    The Relationship Between SNAP and Work Among Low-Income Households — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    The overwhelming majority of SNAP recipients who can work do so. Among SNAP households with at least one working-age, non-disabled adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP — and more than 80 percent work in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. The rates are even higher for families with children — more than 60 percent work while receiving SNAP, and almost 90 percent work in the prior or subsequent year.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    The 58% is the number drawn from the US Census, the 42% is from SNAP's own data.

    As a career social worker I would guess that the 16% discrepancy is due to fraud. In other words, that 16% probably already worked their way off of Welfare but still collect SNAP illegally. I'll stick with the 42%.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The 58% is the census number, the 42% is from SNAP's own data.

    As a career social worker I would guess that the 16% discrepancy is due to fraud. I'll stick with the 42%.
    The #'s I linked come from the same source (SIPP) as the OP does. Your #'s come with no link and are outdated
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The #'s I linked come from the same source (SIPP) as the OP does. Your #'s come with no link and are outdated
    No, your numbers are taken from a 4 year old US Census, my numbers are taken from SNAP data referenced all over the web.

    But let's look at your source for a minute. Here is an image taken from their June 2014 report on SNAP:

    SNAP-chartbook-6-4-14-Part5-chart01-HTM.jpg

    So... 66% are not expected to work. Of the able bodied we get ... 14% working and 21% not working.

    Now, granted, their pie chart adds up to 101%, so let's say that 14% are working and 20% aren't and do the math:

    14/(14+20)*100= 41.2% employment rate among the able bodied SNAP recipients.

    If the Census number is accurate at 58% it is likely because the anonymity of the Census meant more SNAP recipients were honest in their census paperwork than they are with their social worker.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, your numbers are taken from a 4 year old US Census, my numbers are taken from SNAP data referenced all over the web.

    But let's look at your source for a minute. Here is an image taken from their June 2014 report on SNAP:

    SNAP-chartbook-6-4-14-Part5-chart01-HTM.jpg

    So... 66% are not expected to work. Of the able bodied we get ... 14% working and 21% not working.

    Now, granted, their pie chart adds up to 101%, so let's say that 14% are working and 20% aren't and do the math:

    14/(14+20)*100= 41.2% employment rate among the able bodied SNAP recipients.

    If the Census number is accurate at 58% it is likely because the anonymity of the Census meant more SNAP recipients were honest in their census paperwork than they are with their social worker.
    You just from the % of the able bodied to the % of all recipients

    That's very dishonest
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    [...] If the Census number is accurate at 58% it is likely because the anonymity of the Census meant more SNAP recipients were honest in their census paperwork than they are with their social worker.
    That would be the most likely explanation.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You just from the % of the able bodied to the % of all recipients

    That's very dishonest
    I never said it was all recipients.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Every generation makes that same claim. Back in the 1970's, when I was a child, I heard that crap over and over again, and my parents heard that in the 40's and 50's, and their parents before them. I'm sure when the national debt first hit $10,000 people were saying that, and then again when it was $1 million, then ten million and one hundred million and a billion...

    You do realize that we have had a national debt for all but one year of the existence of this country don't you? And that we create money by debt. If 100% of all debt was repaid, there would be no more US Dollars.

    Our national standard of living isn't really effected by the national debt. Our standard of living is based upon how much we produce. Unless you expect that we will start producing less, which is highly unlikely considering how fast we are becoming more productive due to technology, then our average standard of living should continue to increase, regardless of the national debt. The national debt is nothing more than an accounting issue, and it's not really that big of an issue because it never has to be paid off (unless we desire another depression).

    Oh, and that one year that we had no national debt - we had a depression.
    Your parents nor your grandparents were presented with data that highlighted the issue. There is a solution, but boomers will not dare vote for someone who wishes to reign in the costs. Better to spend into oblivion

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I never said it was all recipients.
    Um, the issue is, you are looking at INDIVIDUALS, while Sangha is looking at HOUSEHOLDS.

    You can have larger percentages of households with employed members as compared to individuals employed receiving SNAP, so most HOUSEHOLDS that receive SNAP (greater than 50%) have employed members.
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