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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Uhm, if the State is non Right-to-Work, it most certainly plays a role...
    Yes, the state is interfering with private contracts between private parties... gotta love that right wing big government interference

    Government interference aside, scab workers are takers. No two ways about it... just because a right wing state government supports takers/leeches sucking off the teats of others does not make it any less a form of direct welfare.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Nonsense. The rates they are paying are not market rates at all. They are skewed by the willingness of the government to subsidise them with welfare. You're not seriously going to argue that modern capitalism operates through free trade, are you?
    Not market rates? So the rates that people agree to work for all over the country are not market rates? Even though they are the definition of market rates?
    This not something I made up or a theory of mine, it's just the way it is. You are trying to argue against human nature. You are either thinking of socialism, or you really have a lot to learn about supply and demand.

    I don't know who Elizabeth Warren is but, while I am 100% anti-neoliberalism, at least I can spell capitalist.
    Wow, HUGE point there. Pointing out a typo! You really have a strong argument there. I am always glad to see the people who need to point out spelling errors, because it's good to know who the perfect people are that have never made one.

    Oh, and if you are going to point out spelling errors, it's a good idea not to make spelling errors in the post in which you are pointing out spelling errors. It really makes you look like a fool.

    You don't know of Elizabeth Warren? But you have internet access and stuff like "Google". But yet, you find it necessary to point out a typo.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Isn't it funny how libertarians and conservatives are normally so keen on the sanctity and protection of contracts?
    Yeah, especially when they deny people a job because they don't want to give their earnings to the fat cats in the union.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post

    Wow, HUGE point there. Pointing out a typo! You really have a strong argument there. I am always glad to see the people who need to point out spelling errors, because it's good to know who the perfect people are that have never made one.

    Oh, and if you are going to point out spelling errors, it's a good idea not to make spelling errors in the post in which you are pointing out spelling errors. It really makes you look like a fool.
    It would, had I made one.

    The point of pointing it out is two-fold: firstly, if you can't be bothered to re-read your posts and write in correct English it causes me to believe you haven't really spent much time thinking about your contribution; that it's not a thought through argument, just a string of consciousness. Secondly, it's a cheap score and a bit of a laugh.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Do you think that this rate is due to people not looking for opportunities?
    As someone who administered welfare benefits for a decade I can say yes, that is a big contributor. Another big contributor is unreasonable expectations. Many able bodied people sit on welfare because they are waiting for the opportunities to come to them.

    The recipients who understood that welfare is something you work your way off of were invariably the ones for whom "welfare recipient" was a transient state.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes, the state is interfering with private contracts between private parties... gotta love that right wing big government interference

    Government interference aside, scab workers are takers. No two ways about it... just because a right wing state government supports takers/leeches sucking off the teats of others does not make it any less a form of direct welfare.
    Soooo... scab workers don't work for their money? Who are they leeching off of?
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It would, had I made one.

    The point of pointing it out is two-fold: firstly, if you can't be bothered to re-read your posts and write in correct English it causes me to believe you haven't really spent much time thinking about your contribution; that it's not a thought through argument, just a string of consciousness. Secondly, it's a cheap score and a bit of a laugh.
    And that tells me you have a very weak argument, and you do, if you need to resort to pointing out typos and make the ridiculous, and clearly erroneous argument that a typo means you haven't spent time thinking about your post. Actually, you should stick to pointing out typos.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    As someone who administered welfare benefits for a decade I can say yes, that is a big contributor. Another big contributor is unreasonable expectations. Many able bodied people sit on welfare because they are waiting for the opportunities to come to them.

    The recipients who understood that welfare is something you work your way off of were invariably the ones for whom "welfare recipient" was a transient state.
    Then that must be the overwhelming majority of recipients because the overwhelming majority of recipients receive benefits for less than 5 years.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then that must be the overwhelming majority of recipients because the overwhelming majority of recipients receive benefits for less than 5 years.
    See, this is the problem with how many people look at welfare. You make it sound like 5 years isn't a lot of time toi be sitting on your ass and not working. 5 years is a long time to be on Welfare when the only thing you need in order to get off welfare is a willingness to accept a minimum wage job. If that same person took a part time minimum wage job instead of welfare they could be in a management position in that restaurant in that same 5 year period.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    See, this is the problem with how many people look at welfare. You make it sound like 5 years isn't a lot of time toi be sitting on your ass and not working. 5 years is a long time to be on Welfare when the only thing you need in order to get off welfare is a willingness to accept a minimum wage job. If that same person took a part time minimum wage job instead of welfare they could be in a management position in that restaurant in that same 5 year period.
    Since most people on welfare do work (or are incapable of working) your claim that a willingness to accept a min wage job is clearly false.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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