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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits | Fox News



    This should be shocking to everyone, no matter which way they lean.
    It is, and a terrible indictment of American employers, letting the tax-payer pick up the slack for poverty-level wages. Pretty damning.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    More leisure time and less back breaking work is indeed a good thing.

    Would you prefer to work longer hours to shorter hours? One of the things that most of us demand is leisure time. In a world where technology is rapidly increasing our ability to produce, there is no need for longer work hours, and filling our demand for leisure time only makes sense.

    There is no reason for part time electricity, food or anything else, unless you believe that we will start to become less productive per work hour. We work far fewer hours today than we did 100 years ago, yet we have more today.

    Sorry historic reality doesn't fit with your right wing outlook.
    Well, you are basically talking about hard workers v. lazy people, aren't you? Do I want to work shorter hours v. longer? Doesn't really matter as an individual, it matters what we do as a whole. (I usually work 55-60 or more hours a week). People desire to work to get things done and get what they want. There are those that don't want to work at all, and want everything handed to them. We call them democrats. (Really democrat voters, because they would switch to republicans in a heartbeat if they thought they could get more hand outs from them)

    We will have part time electricity, etc... if people don't either work to provide it, and/or work to pay for it. It's not going to just be available because you want it, you have to work for it. Just demanding won't always work (or never, even if your left wing politician promises it).
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It is, and a terrible indictment of American employers, letting the tax-payer pick up the slack for poverty-level wages. Pretty damning.
    That doesn't even make sense. Otherwise, the employer is not paying all the wages it owes to it's employees. Unless you are referring to a system other than capitalism.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That doesn't even make sense. Otherwise, the employer is not paying all the wages it owes to it's employees. Unless you are referring to a system other than capitalism.
    I mean that, if a working person requires welfare payments or benefits to survive, her/his employers are paying too little. No one should work a full week and not be able to put a roof over their head, and food on the table. If they cannot do this, and the government has to step in to top-up with benefit payments, then it is the employer being subsidised, not the employee as, if welfare were not to pick up the slack, the employee would be unable to work for paltry wages and the employer would be unable to recruit without paying more. To my mind, all welfare paid to full-time working employees is corporate welfare to low-paying employers.

    Simples. Never heard 'a fair day's pay for a fair day's work'?
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    You likely will not receive what you paid in.
    Then it was not only a ponzi scheme, but another tax. So my payroll withholding is not what it states on my pay stub, but that plus another 7.5% ... Ain't that wonderful.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I mean that, if a working person requires welfare payments or benefits to survive, her/his employers are paying too little. No one should work a full week and not be able to put a roof over their head, and food on the table. If they cannot do this, and the government has to step in to top-up with benefit payments, then it is the employer being subsidised, not the employee as, if welfare were not to pick up the slack, the employee would be unable to work for paltry wages and the employer would be unable to recruit without paying more. To my mind, all welfare paid to full-time working employees is corporate welfare to low-paying employers.

    Simples. Never heard 'a fair day's pay for a fair day's work'?
    Ever heard of finding a different job? When one get's hired and they accept the job, that means that they accepted the pay agreed upon hiring to do the job...You don't get to get the job then cry that the pay is unfair...You don't OWN the job...If you don't like an aspect of a company you work for, find somewhere else...
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    My dad once told me that in the mid 60's, he worked a menial labor job in a large factory style bakery, making minimum wage, 40 hours per week. He said at that time, it was enough for him to live off of. He was able to afford rent, a cheap beater car, gas, food, etc.

    Part of the problem is, wages have remained flat.

    The other part of the problem is, as a society, we (americans) keep finding more and more things we NEED. Like cell phones. My dad never had to pay a cell phone bill. Today, they don't even have a line on the application for home phone, it just says cell. Try getting a job that pays you more than 14 bucks an hour where in the company CAN'T reach you 24/7...good luck. Internet is something else my dad never had to pay for. I didn't ask, but he also likely didn't have TV, and IF he did, he relied on rabbit ears for local programming. One more thing he never paid for.

    Now, how many people on some form of assistance have one, or even all three of those things?

    We have so many more things to spend our money on today than we did in the 60's. Life was just more basic then.

    This isn't me saying that stagnant wages ISN'T an issue, because it certainly is. But it's not the ONLY issue.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ever heard of finding a different job? When one get's hired and they accept the job, that means that they accepted the pay agreed upon hiring to do the job...You don't get to get the job then cry that the pay is unfair...You don't OWN the job...If you don't like an aspect of a company you work for, find somewhere else...
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The other part of the problem is, as a society, we (americans) keep finding more and more things we NEED.
    Isn't it the entire raison d'etre of the advertising and media industries to convince people that they NEED the things that they otherwise might merely want? Generating, encouraging and pandering to rampant consumerism has been market capitalism's core strategy for decades now. It's like germ warfare - it's hardly fair or just to castigate someone for falling ill when they've been deliberately infected with a pathogen.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, you are basically talking about hard workers v. lazy people, aren't you? Do I want to work shorter hours v. longer? Doesn't really matter as an individual, it matters what we do as a whole. (I usually work 55-60 or more hours a week). People desire to work to get things done and get what they want. There are those that don't want to work at all, and want everything handed to them. We call them democrats. (Really democrat voters, because they would switch to republicans in a heartbeat if they thought they could get more hand outs from them)

    We will have part time electricity, etc... if people don't either work to provide it, and/or work to pay for it. It's not going to just be available because you want it, you have to work for it. Just demanding won't always work (or never, even if your left wing politician promises it).
    Do we have part time electricity today? We work far fewer hours on average than we did when we started our first electrical power station. That's because fewer hours of human labor are required to produce each unit of electricity than ever before.

    There was a time when something like 90% of workers worked in agriculture. Now 2% do. Yet we seem to have no lack of food. As technology increases our efficiency, there is less need to work long hours to have just as much or even more.
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