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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    Every generation makes that same claim. Back in the 1970's, when I was a child, I heard that crap over and over again, and my parents heard that in the 40's and 50's, and their parents before them. I'm sure when the national debt first hit $10,000 people were saying that, and then again when it was $1 million, then ten million and one hundred million and a billion...

    You do realize that we have had a national debt for all but one year of the existence of this country don't you? And that we create money by debt. If 100% of all debt was repaid, there would be no more US Dollars.

    Our national standard of living isn't really effected by the national debt. Our standard of living is based upon how much we produce. Unless you expect that we will start producing less, which is highly unlikely considering how fast we are becoming more productive due to technology, then our average standard of living should continue to increase, regardless of the national debt. The national debt is nothing more than an accounting issue, and it's not really that big of an issue because it never has to be paid off (unless we desire another depression).

    Oh, and that one year that we had no national debt - we had a depression.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Every generation makes that same claim. Back in the 1970's, when I was a child, I heard that crap over and over again, and my parents heard that in the 40's and 50's, and their parents before them. I'm sure when the national debt first hit $10,000 people were saying that, and then again when it was $1 million, then ten million and one hundred million and a billion...

    You do realize that we have had a national debt for all but one year of the existence of this country don't you? And that we create money by debt. If 100% of all debt was repaid, there would be no more US Dollars.

    Our national standard of living isn't really effected by the national debt. Our standard of living is based upon how much we produce. Unless you expect that we will start producing less, which is highly unlikely considering how fast we are becoming more productive due to technology, then our average standard of living should continue to increase, regardless of the national debt. The national debt is nothing more than an accounting issue, and it's not really that big of an issue because it never has to be paid off (unless we desire another depression).

    Oh, and that one year that we had no national debt - we had a depression.
    Every generation was right. Every year our debt rises and more of our tax money goes to pay on that debt. I didn't say pay it off or pay it down because we never do that. And just like a household that increases its debt every year the debt will eventually take us down.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    Every generation was right. Every year our debt rises and more of our tax money goes to pay on that debt. I didn't say pay it off or pay it down because we never do that. And just like a household that increases its debt every year the debt will eventually take us down.
    Yet every generation has managed to have a higher standard of living.

    Like I said, our aggregate standard of living is based upon how productive we are in aggregate, not on how much our federal debt is.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Every generation was right. Every year our debt rises and more of our tax money goes to pay on that debt. I didn't say pay it off or pay it down because we never do that. And just like a household that increases its debt every year the debt will eventually take us down.
    He's not really addressing the issue, it's a bit of misinformation. No one is saying that we should not have any debt. But doubling the debt every few years, and with little or nothing to show for it, is not going to end well. As more and more people are encouraged by the left to get government hand out (really just redistribution) there are less producers to support them. As Thatcher said, the problem is that you eventually run out of other people's money. And that is something they don't want to address, because they have no answers.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    He's not really addressing the issue, it's a bit of misinformation. No one is saying that we should not have any debt. But doubling the debt every few years, and with little or nothing to show for it, is not going to end well. As more and more people are encouraged by the left to get government hand out (really just redistribution) there are less producers to support them. As Thatcher said, the problem is that you eventually run out of other people's money. And that is something they don't want to address, because they have no answers.
    We have a great deal to show for out debt.

    Our infrastructure, our country relatively free from terrorism and foriegn attack. Our protection of our citizens and their property. Our infrastructure and technology and education. Our assets far exceed our debt.

    The growth rate of our debt under Reagan was far far higher than it is today, yet our economy did fairly well under Reagan, or at least that is what conservatives tell me. At this point, the growth of our debt has significantly declined. We have 17 trillion in debt, and we are adding less than 500 billion to it. It would take 34 years at this rate to double our debt again (Reagan tripled it in just 8 years).

    Chill out about the debt, it's an issue, but not a significant issue. The bigger issue is getting economic growth back, and the only way we can do that is if we can figure out a way to increase demand.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    We have a great deal to show for out debt.

    Our infrastructure, our country relatively free from terrorism and foriegn attack. Our protection of our citizens and their property. Our infrastructure and technology and education. Our assets far exceed our debt.

    The growth rate of our debt under Reagan was far far higher than it is today, yet our economy did fairly well under Reagan, or at least that is what conservatives tell me. At this point, the growth of our debt has significantly declined. We have 17 trillion in debt, and we are adding less than 500 billion to it. It would take 34 years at this rate to double our debt again (Reagan tripled it in just 8 years).

    Chill out about the debt, it's an issue, but not a significant issue. The bigger issue is getting economic growth back, and the only way we can do that is if we can figure out a way to increase demand.
    No, we don't have much to show for it. We don't need to add $7 Trillion to our debt for "infrastructure". Remember, the government already spends Trillions of dollars before the debt, and then there is State spending on top of that. Then there is some reasonable debt added to that, plenty of money to keep us going.

    And yes, the lack of growth and jobs is an issue, debt growth is not as much of a problem if your economy is growing enough to cover it. Ours isn't, and most jobs are part time.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No, we don't have much to show for it. We don't need to add $7 Trillion to our debt for "infrastructure". Remember, the government already spends Trillions of dollars before the debt, and then there is State spending on top of that. Then there is some reasonable debt added to that, plenty of money to keep us going.

    And yes, the lack of growth and jobs is an issue, debt growth is not as much of a problem if your economy is growing enough to cover it. Ours isn't, and most jobs are part time.
    What we call part time today will soon be the new full time, just like today's 40 hour per week job would have been considered "part time" a hundred years ago.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    What we call part time today will soon be the new full time, just like today's 40 hour per week job would have been considered "part time" a hundred years ago.
    Yeah, see... it's a good thing! Obama is just way ahead of the times. We'll also have part time electricity, food, and lives, just like North Korea.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, see... it's a good thing! Obama is just way ahead of the times. We'll also have part time electricity, food, and lives, just like North Korea.
    More leisure time and less back breaking work is indeed a good thing.

    Would you prefer to work longer hours to shorter hours? One of the things that most of us demand is leisure time. In a world where technology is rapidly increasing our ability to produce, there is no need for longer work hours, and filling our demand for leisure time only makes sense.

    There is no reason for part time electricity, food or anything else, unless you believe that we will start to become less productive per work hour. We work far fewer hours today than we did 100 years ago, yet we have more today.

    Sorry historic reality doesn't fit with your right wing outlook.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

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    This should be shocking to everyone, no matter which way they lean.
    Yeah, and according to the stats mavens more than one third of Americans are obese. Wonder what sort of overlap exists there.

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