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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If we look at this from the perspective of households vs people (I haven't found a people breakdown yet, but the household breakdown is readily available) we get the following for September 2012 (latest data shown at Red's first link):

    27% of households receive some type of means-tested benefit[1], or approx. 1/4 of all households vs a claimed 1/3 of all people -- a less impressive headline. Now clearly if your 'news' plan was to foment shock and awe amongst your viewers/readers then you'd go with the most impressive headline, fail to provide any way for the viewer/reader to look at the data you used for y our headline, and not provide any context as to the extent of the 'welfare' involved (say, a $500/month total disability payment for an overweight middle aged slacker (let's make them a minority as well so that the bigoted outrage is maximized) vs $66/month for subsidized school lunches for a poor child).

    Which just goes to show that in the 'right' hands, figures can lie... and liars can figure. Personally I'm outraged


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    Selective outrage (or lack thereof) on your part, too funny!
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits | Fox News



    This should be shocking to everyone, no matter which way they lean.
    I'm not shocked at all - this is our wonderful and great growing economy...

    Progressives call this progress in their socialistic minds.

    They hate the free markets and capitalism so this government dependence nonsense is a dream come true for them.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Total paranoia and disconnect from reality. I blame right wing media
    Read a book, i did. Try the next america. Its a book filled with stats. The author doesnt render opinions.

    You are the one who lives in a disconnect.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Which is? Spending money? Im certain you are. Boomers are without a doubt the worst generation
    I worked longer than you've probably been alive, retire and draw SS like millions of Americans, and my entire generation is the worst one? Son, you need to grow up.

    Are your parents part of the Baby Boomer generation?

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    LOL... well, Fox didn't really provide any numbers (except they one they wanted their minions to freak out over), and now that we get a look at the numbers we're beginning to see why (which is usually the case then the right wing echo chamber starts throwing 'disconnected' numbers around).

    I'm sorry the propaganda is not working out quite as well as Fox, and based upon your post, you, wanted.
    The link on the source of the data was posted. You ignore it, no surprise.

    Who lives in the echo chamber? The guy who sees the data and admits it is a problem, or the guy who sees the data, puts a spin, adds and subtracts at his own will, then calls the opposition racist and disregards the facts?

    Im sorry, but you really do not need to speak anout echo chambers

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I worked longer than you've probably been alive, retire and draw SS like millions of Americans, and my entire generation is the worst one? Son, you need to grow up.

    Are your parents part of the Baby Boomer generation?
    Yes, and?

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Yes, and?
    I guess the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    [...] say, a $500/month total disability payment for an overweight middle aged slacker (let's make them a minority as well so that the bigoted outrage is maximized) vs $66/month for subsidized school lunches for a poor child [...]
    Correction: The school lunch/breakfast/milk program costs an average of $30 per child per month[1].


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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Read a book, i did. Try the next america. Its a book filled with stats. The author doesnt render opinions. [...]
    Rather than task me to prove your claim, at my expense no less, since you apparently own the book can you cite the page and quote the section of the book where Mr. Taylor says that "by the time you reach retirement age, in 31 years (67), the program will undoubtedly be non existent or so means tested that you will receive nothing"?

    But in any case, I am no foe of means testing for Social Security and hardly consider that a deviation from the original intent of the program (a safety net first and foremost). Mitt Romney does not need welfare.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    The link on the source of the data was posted. You ignore it, no surprise. [...]
    It was not posted in the OP or in the OP's link to Fox, which was my point.

    It was finally posted by the OP in post #142, shortly after which I addressed it.

    I'm at a loss to understand why you didn't comprehend all that before now, but do try to read and understand all the posts before replying attacking; explanations of rather straightforward reality tend to detract from the discussion.

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