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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You laugh about it, sadly you are telling the truth here unabashedly I might add...You really feel no remorse that you have spent others money, til it is gone eh...I guess that goes to character.
    I guess I'm just too selfish, you know like corporations. I worked 40 years, I paid into SS and now I'm receiving money monthly.

    I assume when you reach retirement age you will not accept any SS money.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    For all those attacking FOX News, this is where they got their data and it is pretty damning - Economic Characteristics of Households in the United States

    This link provides you with the spreadsheet they got their data from - http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/qu...tr/Table2.xlsx

    The numbers they used came from means tested programs (public or subsidized rental housing, SSI, food stamps (SNAP), TANF, WIC, Medicaid and other cash assistance). The numbers they used did NOT include SS or Medicare. The numbers are all there to see and it appears as though the FOX News haters are wrong, yet again. These are the numbers directly from the US Census Bureau.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I guess I'm just too selfish, you know like corporations. I worked 40 years, I paid into SS and now I'm receiving money monthly.

    I assume when you reach retirement age you will not accept any SS money.
    There is a difference between being selfish with what is yours and demanding other people give you their property. Your position is in fact not out of the ordinary for you.

    Compare demanding people give you their property with people desiring to keep what is theirs is something I have come to expect from people on this forum. Not only are the two things being compared in many ways opposites, but the people making the comparison are trying to sell the former as good and the later as bad.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    I really did look but I did not see the word welfare.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    For all those attacking FOX News, this is where they got their data and it is pretty damning - Economic Characteristics of Households in the United States

    This link provides you with the spreadsheet they got their data from - http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/qu...tr/Table2.xlsx

    The numbers they used came from means tested programs (public or subsidized rental housing, SSI, food stamps (SNAP), TANF, WIC, Medicaid and other cash assistance). The numbers they used did NOT include SS or Medicare. The numbers are all there to see and it appears as though the FOX News haters are wrong, yet again. These are the numbers directly from the US Census Bureau.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is a difference between being selfish with what is yours and demanding other people give you their property. Your position is in fact not out of the ordinary for you.

    Compare demanding people give you their property with people desiring to keep what is theirs is something I have come to expect from people on this forum. Not only are the two things being compared in many ways opposites, but the people making the comparison are trying to sell the former as good and the later as bad.
    So are you refusing your SS when you reach retirement?

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I really did look but I did not see the word welfare.
    Are you saying that public or subsidized rental housing, SSI, food stamps (SNAP), TANF, WIC and Medicaid are not considered "welfare"?

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    For all those attacking FOX News, this is where they got their data and it is pretty damning - Economic Characteristics of Households in the United States

    This link provides you with the spreadsheet they got their data from - http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/qu...tr/Table2.xlsx

    The numbers they used came from means tested programs (public or subsidized rental housing, SSI, food stamps (SNAP), TANF, WIC, Medicaid and other cash assistance). The numbers they used did NOT include SS or Medicare. The numbers are all there to see and it appears as though the FOX News haters are wrong, yet again. These are the numbers directly from the US Census Bureau.
    Thanks for the links. I find it rather dishonest that Fox themselves did not provide a link to the underlying data upon which they based their claims (normally I consider such an omission a sign of dishonesty when so-called journalism is involved).

    I find labeling of skeptics, especially when such skepticism is warranted by historical example and/or by tactical omisssion, as "haters" another dishonest tactic that is unconducive to productive discussion.

    In any case, I submit the following prior to taking a look at the underlying data myself:

    Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

    Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64.

    Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    [...] This link provides you with the spreadsheet they got their data from - http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/qu...tr/Table2.xlsx [...]
    And that spreadsheet begins to point out of some the problems with Fox's hysterical claims...

    (1) Includes free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, [...]
    The kids getting a dollar or two discount off their school meal -- freeloading leaches intent on destroying the country -- obviously need to be put to work earning that money by cleaning the toilets used by their betters. No, that's not my idea, that's Newt Gingrich's idea . . . .

    (3) Now known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP. [...]
    More leaches kids that need to swab some toilets in order to learn the work ethic of those born into a rich household.

    What say we ask Fox to produce a report on the number of "working age" "adults" that actually could be working but instead are freeloading off of welfare... or would that number be insufficient to outrage their viewers? Instead of hating on kids, the truly disabled, and the truly disadvantaged (even if that disadvantage is caused by bad decisions made earlier in their life). Anybody think such an honest assessment of the welfare situation in the U.S. would be forthcoming from them?

    In 2011, the National School Lunch Program fed [via low-cost or free lunches to children across the nation] more than 31 million children each day. Most students benefit from the NSLP because it subsidizes even full-price meals in the majority of U.S. schools (link).
    Now assuming a worst-case (for the alarmist) number crunching scenario, that would reduce the "nearly 110 million" figure to "nearly 79 million". Hardly as impressive . . . .
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Are you saying that public or subsidized rental housing, SSI, food stamps (SNAP), TANF, WIC and Medicaid are not considered "welfare"?
    IMO, the word "welfare" is far more expansive than the list of programs you mentioned. It should include SS, Medicare, not to mention numerous tax subsidies in the form of deductions and credits and all types of govt grants

    I don't suppose the focus on "means tested" programs has anything to do with an intent to provoke animosity towards the poor.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    If we look at this from the perspective of households vs people (I haven't found a people breakdown yet, but the household breakdown is readily available) we get the following for September 2012 (latest data shown at Red's first link):

    27% of households receive some type of means-tested benefit[1], or approx. 1/4 of all households vs a claimed 1/3 of all people -- a less impressive headline. Now clearly if your 'news' plan was to foment shock and awe amongst your viewers/readers then you'd go with the most impressive headline, fail to provide any way for the viewer/reader to look at the data you used for y our headline, and not provide any context as to the extent of the 'welfare' involved (say, a $500/month total disability payment for an overweight middle aged slacker (let's make them a minority as well so that the bigoted outrage is maximized) vs $66/month for subsidized school lunches for a poor child).

    Which just goes to show that in the 'right' hands, figures can lie... and liars can figure. Personally I'm outraged


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    1. Source: http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/qu...tr/Table7.xlsx

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