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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaaaman View Post
    He stated Fox News doesn't tell 'the whole truth'. I replied that several news outlets practice the same kind of journalism. Do you dispute that?
    Masses of people watch Fox News as their only news source. Not many watch MSNBC at all. I'd have to say that it would appear that there are far more people disinformed by Fox News than MSNBC.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay. So you don't consider any kind of government assistance as "welfare".
    I only consider it welfare if it is means tested. Government benefits in themselves aren't a discouragement to being productive. But means testing those government benefits are.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What's shocking? We are in the 7th year of the G. W. Bush Great Depression and nobody wants to acknowledge it. With our new moron at the helm of the gov't, we'll never get out. More of the same.
    We won't get out of it with republicans in congress either. The only way we can get a better economy is if we elect a republican POTUS and dems in congress. that's when deficit spending (stimulous) increases the fastest.

    but since when did we start calling 2% GDP growth and 6.2% unemployment rate a depression? That's really not far for the 20th century average, and is likely the new norm for the 21st century.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And give up your progressive liberal stance as a "moderate"? I know what it's not - and you're not a moderate.
    Everyone who is left of a right wing extremist is considered a left wing extremist by those on the far right. And I could flip flop the words left and right and it would be equally true.

    Extremists don't have the ability to differentiate between moderate and the other extreme. Extremist see only black and white, they are blind to all the shades of gray.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It annoys me somewhat that people say they paid for themselves. That is not how the program works.
    It's a generational contract. If they fulfilled their end of the contract, then they paid for themselves.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    SS is welfare. Your ignorance of how SS works doesn't change the fact that SS is a form of welfare.
    If it is not generally means tested, then it's not welfare.

    You could argue that having military (or any other government service) is welfare also, but that would be an equally bogus argument.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm 2 years younger than you, and I'm starting to think what we paid into it all these years won't leave enough for people our age. And that sucks because I'm sure you like me paid a lot into it. I would have invested that money myself instead but I had no choice in the matter.
    That's why it is important that we keep social security. It's a contract between generations. Older folks fulfilled their end of the contract, so the guberment should fulfill it's end. We should honor our contracts.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're right, we should abolish the system, just pay me back the money I've put in since age 14 and I'll take it from there....Thanks.
    I'd have no issue with an "opt out" provision. Just don't ask for government assistance when you are 104 years old.
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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It's a generational contract. If they fulfilled their end of the contract, then they paid for themselves.
    I like Jefferson believe in generational sovereignty. That when one generation binds the next to their contract they are in violation of their rights.

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    Re: Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm 2 years younger than you, and I'm starting to think what we paid into it all these years won't leave enough for people our age. And that sucks because I'm sure you like me paid a lot into it. I would have invested that money myself instead but I had no choice in the matter.
    The surplus fund is expected to run dry the year I retire (close to you). However, that doesn't mean that new tax revenue will stop, new revenue will still pay for about 75% of our benefits.

    SS only needs fairly small adjustments to make it last forever. If we were to raise the contribution rate by 1% today (on the employee and employer side), the trust fund wouldn't run dry for another 60 years, and even then new revenue would pay for about 87% of benefits. If we were to double that increase in the contribution rate, it would last forever, and then some.

    Even if we waited until the day that the trust fund ran dry (most likely scenario), we would only need to raise the contribution rate by a third in order to fully fund the program.

    Or we could increase the age at which we make benefits available, by a year or two, that would be the easiest solution, but in an age where we have an abundance of labor and not enough demand to employ all that labor, increasing the normal work age range doesn't make a lot of sense - it would just result in higher unemployment, and more spending on unemployment benefits, that that's not a real solution at all.
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