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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    It is up to Ukraine to decide with whom it wants to go. It choose EU/US, and that is it, Russia should now learn to live without Ukraine.

    Why would we care to back Russia the bully up?!
    No! The Ukraine chose Russia and the government was overthrown by a US/EU backed coup. If you want Russia to back up, as you stated earlier, you better start pushing. So far, Russia appears resolute.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No! The Ukraine chose Russia and the government was overthrown by a US/EU backed coup. If you want Russia to back up, as you stated earlier, you better start pushing. So far, Russia appears resolute.
    The majority of the Ukrainians choose EU/US. If it were the reverse the majority would have wanted to be with Russia, and all would have voted to be annexed, etc.

    As for pushing it, Russia may come all the way to the Ukrainian western border, but it would do so to its own peril.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    The majority of the Ukrainians choose EU/US. If it were the reverse the majority would have wanted to be with Russia, and all would have voted to be annexed, etc.

    As for pushing it, Russia may come all the way to the Ukrainian western border, but it would do so to its own peril.
    I doubt that that is Russia's intentions, but I wouldn't be so cocky, even if you think that there's somebody there that can push Russia back, it wouldn't be cheap. To the other, there are many that see the clear picture of attempted NATO eastward expansion.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    I have a question for the Obama administration.

    Since you are ignoring the referendum the rebel areas held which stated that they overwhelmingly want to become part of Russia...just how exactly do you suggest they legally leave the Ukraine and join Russia (which apparently the vast majority if the want to do)?

    Or do believe in ignoring the wishes of millions of people who wish for self-determination?


    I say tell the rebels that if they want to leave, have another referendum that is overseen and approved by the UN.
    And if they vote to leave, then they should be allowed to leave.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I doubt that that is Russia's intentions, but I wouldn't be so cocky, even if you think that there's somebody there that can push Russia back, it wouldn't be cheap. To the other, there are many that see the clear picture of attempted NATO eastward expansion.
    Ukrainians themselves would push Russia back in an assymetrical, guerilla warfare. To the contrary, it is way cheaper than direct assaults. The "many" that see it "clearly" are a minority here in DP.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not going to be supporting hypocrisy. You forgot Hawaii. And the Louisiana Purchase. Buying something from somebody that doesn't even own it. The native occupants weren't consulted at all, and manifest destiny is manifest thievery and genocide.
    You really do dislike your country, don't you? It's a shame. Fortunately not everyone thinks like you do.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Ukrainians themselves would push Russia back in an assymetrical, guerilla warfare. To the contrary, it is way cheaper than direct assaults. The "many" that see it "clearly" are a minority here in DP.
    And DP is but a minority in Internet debate forums.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    You really do dislike your country, don't you? It's a shame. Fortunately not everyone thinks like you do.
    Well I suppose you have nothing to rebut with but that old line. Actually though, dissent is not dislike, and wanting America to be better would only be seen as a negative by people that really do dislike.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have a question for the Obama administration.

    Since you are ignoring the referendum the rebel areas held which stated that they overwhelmingly want to become part of Russia...just how exactly do you suggest they legally leave the Ukraine and join Russia (which apparently the vast majority if the want to do)?

    Or do believe in ignoring the wishes of millions of people who wish for self-determination?


    I say tell the rebels that if they want to leave, have another referendum that is overseen and approved by the UN.
    And if they vote to leave, then they should be allowed to leave.
    Can't risk that, they might actually vote to leave and then have the UN's endorsement of fair and legal voting. That would ruin everything. Better just keep calling it illegal, keep fighting it, and keep hoping that it works, soon!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No! NATO should stop trying to expand eastward.
    NATO isn't forcibly expanding. Countries are voluntarily joining it. That's their right. And no only does Putin not want them to join NATO, he wants to rebuild the USSR by annexing and invading old territories through force and intimidation.

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