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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ah yes. Ever face your fear in the eye? The Ukraine has again made accusations against Russia, and Russia is denying them. Why is it automatic with you and others that the Ukraine is telling the truth and Russia is lying?
    Because they have no concept of who the Ukrainians really are. (and that statement is in no way giving props to the Russians, either)

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

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    WASHINGTON'S ROLE in the fascist putsch against the elected government in Ukraine will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore the historical record. Since 1945, dozens of governments, many of them democracies, have met a similar fate, usually with bloodshed.

    U.S. dominance and Australia?s secret coup


    The disposal of the Ukrainian government of President Viktor Yanukovych last week by neocon operatives from within the US state department and European government structures was a violation of international law with total impunity by the US - the conspiracy breached Articles 2(4) and 2(7) of the UN Charter that require all UN member states to respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of other states, and to desist from intervening in domestic affairs of any member states respectively. The US and European Union (EU) countries need to be held answerable for the despicable, criminal breach. - See more at: Defeat neocon conspiracy in Ukraine! | Daily News Online : Sri Lanka's National News
    The first link has to do with Australia more than Ukraine. The second, well...

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    Nuland is of Russian Jewish origin, and her real surname is supposed to be "Nudelman". She has reinforced this genetic disposition towards spreading their own version of democracy and "human rights" to the rest of the world with even stronger neocon connections

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    On December 16, 2013 Jerusalem Post reported that young Jews were 'really active' in Kiev 'organising the barricades' under the NGO banners Jewish Distribution Committee, Hillel and Limmud.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

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    The first link has to do with Australia more than Ukraine. The second, well...



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    Lol, wait a minute, because the Sri Lankan News pointed out her Jewishness, they're wrong about the Ukraine crisis. Ok, such desperation. And the first link, the Australian Gazette pointed out US intrigue in Ukraine but went on to talk about Australian issues, therefore they too are discredited. Whatever dude, you know, Russia's cameras and press were in maiden square, they've documented the fact that Western intrigue was behind the coup that toppled the Ukrainian government. Putin doesn't need your acknowledgement of that, and as such, he responded accordingly and Crimea is Russia.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, wait a minute, because the Sri Lankan News pointed out her Jewishness, they're wrong about the Ukraine crisis. Ok, such desperation. And the first link, the Australian Gazette pointed out US intrigue in Ukraine but went on to talk about Australian issues, therefore they too are discredited. Whatever dude, you know, Russia's cameras and press were in maiden square, they've documented the fact that Western intrigue was behind the coup that toppled the Ukrainian government. Putin doesn't need your acknowledgement of that, and as such, he responded accordingly and Crimea is Russia.
    One mentions Ukraine once or twice, and only in passing, so it isn't proof of anything. The other, even without the explicit anti-Semitism, is claiming a dumb neocon global conspiracy. And neither link offers anything in the way of proof of covert ops except baseless assertions.

    Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right. That still doesn't justify absorption of territory via military intervention.

    Also, if there was actually a coup, Russia probably would have toppled the resulting regime rather than destabilizing the entire country. Think of what we did in Grenada - the coup government that Russian propaganda is asserting would be inherently unstable.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    One mentions Ukraine once or twice, and only in passing, so it isn't proof of anything. The other, even without the explicit anti-Semitism, is claiming a dumb neocon global conspiracy. And neither link offers anything in the way of proof of covert ops except baseless assertions.

    Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right. That still doesn't justify absorption of territory via military intervention.

    Also, if there was actually a coup, Russia probably would have toppled the resulting regime rather than destabilizing the entire country. Think of what we did in Grenada - the coup government that Russian propaganda is asserting would be inherently unstable.
    I disagree that a US backed coup in Ukraine doesn't legitimise Russian annexation by referendum. Are you aware of how much NATO has expanded in the last twenty years. Russia (USSR) had assurances at the time that there would be none of that. Putins on solid ground in this.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I disagree that a US backed coup in Ukraine doesn't legitimise Russian annexation by referendum.
    Territorial conquest is practically the main issue that the UN was set up to prevent. Even if we were totally, completely, absolutely in the wrong in Ukraine, and the new government was formed as a result of a coup by neo-Nazis, that still doesn't mean that forcible annexation is A-OK.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Territorial conquest is practically the main issue that the UN was set up to prevent. Even if we were totally, completely, absolutely in the wrong in Ukraine, and the new government was formed as a result of a coup by neo-Nazis, that still doesn't mean that forcible annexation is A-OK.
    It appears that you think that Russia just decided one day to go annex Crimea. What Putin realises, and correctly so, was that after the Western facilitated coup, their ports in Crimea were at risk. What he did is both reasonable, and distinguished from "territorial conquest" framed as such by you and others so as to imply imperialism. I stand by Putin's response to Western intrigue in Kiev, and, I hope the West doesn't push this so far as to make worse an already bad action.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, myself and others have posted it before,

    You actually could google it yourself,

    And it's not me digging holes. It's not important that you understand this, Putin does and has responded accordingly, which is why Crimea is Russia, lol!
    If it's so clear why can't you make your case? If everytime someone here made an assertion --without anything to back it up -- and when pressed for a link they said, "Google it yourself," how silly would that be?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, Poroshenko and the separatists have agreed to that. Russia's not in Ukraine, remember.
    You still believe Russia's not in East Ukraine? Even my dog knows they are.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently, you aren't aware of the history of NATO. GHWBUSH promised Gorbachev that their would be no NATO expansion eastward as the Soviet Union withdrew their troops (some 350,000) from Eastern Europe. We all have seen how that worked out, and this latest was yet another expansion to the east that Russia is attempting to check. But as I said before, it doesn't matter what you and I think, Putin clearly saw the events that unfolded last fall and winter as a Western backed coup to topple the Ukrainian government and install a pro-West government, and he has said so, Lavrov has said so, and they have called bull**** and responded accordingly.
    There you go again. Just saying it was a western backed coup over and over agsin doesn't make it so.

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