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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Oh yes the ol' I've posted it here before or it's obvious so I'm not posting a link.

    Please you're making me laugh so hard I'm about to fall off my chair.
    Don't hurt yourself and blame that on me too.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    First you say it's not clear what I'm asking for.

    Then you say to google it myself.

    And finally you say it's been posted here already.


    You know the more you fib the deeper the hole gets.
    Right, myself and others have posted it before,

    You actually could google it yourself,

    And it's not me digging holes. It's not important that you understand this, Putin does and has responded accordingly, which is why Crimea is Russia, lol!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Russia and Ukraine just agreed to seize fire did they not?
    Yes, Poroshenko and the separatists have agreed to that. Russia's not in Ukraine, remember.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post

    Three of those on your list are far from true. Ukrainians are closer to Russians (as they all came from the Kiev Rus, Rurik dynasty) then Irish are to Ulster-Scots/Anglo-Saxons. Ulster-Scots/Anglo-Saxons came to Ireland as part of colonization of Ireland (Plantations of Ireland). You can tell a Ulster-Scot from an Irish person as they live in separate communities, support different things, and go to different churches (mostly).
    Actually, nothren Ireland and eastern Ukraine are very similar. The fact that Ukrainians and Russians were arguably one people 900 years ago does not mean they are close today. As for colonization, many Russians migrated to Donbass for industrial work starting in the 1890s. This migration continued through the communist era as industrialization expanded. So, like the ulster scots, there is a community that has resided in an area for generations, but is arguably not native.
    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You can tell a Ulster-Scot from an Irish person as they live in separate communities, support different things, and go to different churches (mostly).
    No, you cannot always tell Ulster Scot from Irish physically or by interests. There was alot of mistaken identity killings on both sides.
    Likewise, you cant tell "Ukrainian" from "Russian" physically, nor is always easy to tell who is speaking "Russian" verse eastern Ukrainian dialect. Like the Ulster scots and Irish, there are seperate interests- but only to a degree.

    Seperate Churches? Most western Ukrainians are Greek Catholic, or Ukrainian Orthodox (Kiev Patriachate). Eastern Ukrainians tend to be Ukrainian Orthodox (Moscow Patriarchate), ethnic Russians tend to be Russian Orthodox.

    Seperate communites? Not so much, though there are towns and villages that are strongly ethnic Russian or ethnic Ukrainian. This may actually help as people need to live with their neighbors.
    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No such thing as experts consultants on Northern Ireland. The "peace process" is in it's early stages with acts of violence still happening. It's also not a process that can be done easily without the right circumstances.
    Things are not perfect in northeren Ireland? I believe you. And, yes, things are not going to be perfect in eastern Ukraine anytime soon. The goal, howevber, is not perfection. Rather, the goal is no continuos car bombs / grad exchanges. Likewise, I bet the northeren Irish can give some advise on generating the right circumstances.
    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Then there is nobody in Ukraine who has the respect of both extreme factions like Northern Ireland had John Hume with the help of David Trimble. Also there is no 3rd party (Nation) that can step in from a neutral role like the US did in Northern Ireland peace process.
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    Hopefully, those people can be cultivated. Good point about the no 3rd nation though. That is porbably the only valid point.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 09-04-14 at 11:28 AM.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Oh, that's right! Nuland was handing out cookies at a Maidan protest! That proves covert ops.

    Those two things and the aid package(s) to the post-revolution government are literally the only things I've seen as an attempt to connect NATO to the overthrow of Yanukovych.
    Apparently, you aren't aware of the history of NATO. GHWBUSH promised Gorbachev that their would be no NATO expansion eastward as the Soviet Union withdrew their troops (some 350,000) from Eastern Europe. We all have seen how that worked out, and this latest was yet another expansion to the east that Russia is attempting to check. But as I said before, it doesn't matter what you and I think, Putin clearly saw the events that unfolded last fall and winter as a Western backed coup to topple the Ukrainian government and install a pro-West government, and he has said so, Lavrov has said so, and they have called bull**** and responded accordingly.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    A resolved and unflinching attitude would not have settled for an agreement as quickly as Putin did with Ukraine today!
    Oh, you think Putins returning the Crimea? Lol.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You're kidding right? An anonymous source and two blogs? Seriously? Wow such low standards.

    I rest my case. There is no proof that the west was involved in overthrow of the Ukrainian government, protests, etc. etc. None! You people are just making stuff up to fit what you want to believe. You'd make state run Russian news proud!
    You're welcome to rest if you must. It's funny that you don't know who Anonymous Ukraine is.

    The Nation, is NOT a blog.

    The Guardian is not a blog.

    You, have been outsourced! Lol.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 09-04-14 at 11:41 AM.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    The solution to this problem is very simple - drop the Ukraine whatever they need to beat the Russians back...

    Of course the only problem with that is that Obama is Putin's whipping boy.

    Putin may be an arrogant clown looking to reclaim the USSR but he isn't stupid - he damn well knows if he gets too far out of line our next president (if not a progressive democrat) will put him in his place.

    My message to Putin would be; "do you want to go bankrupt again?"

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The only difference is that the US isn't out there looking to steal land/conquer and create or "reclaim" an empire. Presently it is obvious Russia is looking to reclaim the USSR.
    No its not so obvious to everyone. Only to those patronising Americans who both hate and are scared of Russia. To the rest, its Russia's attempt to check more NATO expansion. And it's irrelevant that you or anyone else understands that, Putin does!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No its not so obvious to everyone. Only to those patronising Americans who both hate and are scared of Russia. To the rest, its Russia's attempt to check more NATO expansion. And it's irrelevant that you or anyone else understands that, Putin does!
    That is such twisted logic...

    No, Putin want's the Ukraine for it's resources - resources he can use to expand his desire to manifest a USSRII..

    I don't fail to realize anything - what I see is a sovereign nation being hijacked and bullied.

    Russia is **** and Putin is **** and if I was president none of this would even be happening now...

    Oh and the UN - well they can suck my middle finger.. What are they going to do? sanction the US? yeah right!

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