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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Jeez....another 'Ukrainian said this' thread.

    Enough already.

    Who started this thread anyways?

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    Never mind.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Still waiting for you to be precise. For what do you want a link. That the US was covertly involved in the situation that led to the overthrow of the Kiev government and implementation of a pro-Western government. Or that Russia's response is natural, and likely that they are willing to pay the cost to deny Ukraine becoming a NATO member, or perhaps something else you wish for.
    Come onnnnnn! Don't insult my intelligence. You know damn well what I asked for. All you have to do is read my post!

    One more time: where is the prove that your contention that the west, Europe, NATO, CIA, whatever, was behind the protests, overthrow, etc. of the Ukraine government that lead to the situation we are in. All I ask for is a link from a credible source to back up your contention. I'll be waiting but I won't hold my breath.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, polls showed a 50/50 split. Little wonder that Russia responded as they did. Btw, you seem to disapprove of Putins response to the Ukrainian coup, do you approve of Obama's?
    Damn right I approve of Obama's. I suport my CIC and country and it's a fact that Putin is behind the rebels, has sent in troops, and has already annexed a country. What more do you want? Are you blind?

    I'll take my president and my country over some 5 foot 4 inch thug, thief, and murderer that has the morals of a demon.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Putin needs a way to save face and eventually have the sanctions lifted that are stifling his economy. This is a start.
    I hope the full sanctions are still implemented, and stay in place until there is a lasting peace. Putin has been an expert at promising one thing while actually doing the opposite.

    In the meantime, the UN could provide expert consultants from northeren Ireland to advise local governments, police and paramilitary forces how to get along with each other. Northeren Ireland and eastern Ukraine have alot in common with each other:
    - Two peoples with a shared history, but with seperate identities live on the same land
    - Both peoples have legitimate greviences
    - Neither side can truly win militarily
    - Depite differences, both have a lot in common- so much that they cant really tell each other apart.
    - Both sides have alot of factions ranging from the hardcore to the moderate
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Monte. Didn't Russia's and China's Oil deal go thru? Are they not accepting each others currency and not converting to the US dollar? War Games and exercises together. Plus both having disputes with us and now the Chinese refusing BO's Proposal for that region and the disputes with Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines?

    I think they will be supporting each other for some time.....and solidly.
    Yep, and of necessity. They've also both pointed to US aggressions for their actions at the UN and their co-operation and the recent and marked build up of their respective militaries.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Putin needs a way to save face and eventually have the sanctions lifted that are stifling his economy. This is a start.
    All parties would fancy saving face. Perhaps this is why Poroshenko reached out to Putin.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I give up. You keep telling me your opinion but won't verify it. I call BS.
    See ya. Use google if its even important to you.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Damn right I approve of Obama's. I suport my CIC and country and it's a fact that Putin is behind the rebels, has sent in troops, and has already annexed a country. What more do you want? Are you blind?

    I'll take my president and my country over some 5 foot 4 inch thug, thief, and murderer that has the morals of a demon.
    Well now, did you feel that way about CiC Bush? And yes Putin is supporting the separatists in east Ukraine, who would deny that, and further who would condemn it other than those Americans as hypocritical as the day is long. Love that patronising spirit.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Come onnnnnn! Don't insult my intelligence. You know damn well what I asked for. All you have to do is read my post!

    One more time: where is the prove that your contention that the west, Europe, NATO, CIA, whatever, was behind the protests, overthrow, etc. of the Ukraine government that lead to the situation we are in. All I ask for is a link from a credible source to back up your contention. I'll be waiting but I won't hold my breath.
    I have no way of knowing whether you have below average, above average or average intelligence. I do know that your partisan glasses have clouded your vision and you can't see US intrigue in Ukraine.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Russian proposal for autonomy (federation) in east Ukraine is quite unlike Swiss or American federation. Under the Russian schema, the federalized oblasts in the east (Luhansk/Donetsk) would be able to ratify foreign economic and military treaties independent of Kyiv. In essence, a country within a country conducting foreign relations that are at odds with the national government.
    I never said it was anything like the US or Swiss today. But rather like the US proposal under the Articles of Confederation, you know the Constitution before the current Constitution. There is nothing wrong with Russia's plan in allowing Donetsk and Luhansk to strike agreements with others (obviously Russia) when this area's biggest trade partner is Russia, not EU, not even Western Ukraine, but Russia. It would make economic sense for Kyiv to allow this economically considering Donetsk and Luhansk are the richest regions in "Ukraine" when it comes to natural resources and rest of Ukraine is piss poor broke and is about to get it's ass handed to it by the IMF.

    It's a short term solution in which Kyiv won't be on the hook to rebuilt in the those areas but will still collect income from those areas. It'll keep EU/NATO at bay for Russia and settle Russian nerves who always politically and militarily expected NATO not to expand past East Germany.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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