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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I know of them of course. I do not see the similarities though. In this case it just is about Russia's annexation. In our case we were liberated and no other greater country annexed us, we were left on our own.
    that is your assumption. At no point has Russia indicated that it will annex Donetsk, rather Russia position has been to ask Ukraine to accept a policy of Autonomy for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    But independence does not occurs does it oh great Austrian Icon? Parts of countries are being annexed one after the other?!
    What's been annexed? Crimea voted for independence and ask for membership into Russia, that's their choice. No different then the US having a standing position in it's early years under the Article of Confederation to accept Canada if it choose to leave the UK.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    that is your assumption. At no point has Russia indicated that it will annex Donetsk, rather Russia position has been to ask Ukraine to accept a policy of Autonomy for them.
    Just like Crimea was annexed, next stop is Donetsk, and so on and so forth.

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    What's been annexed? Crimea voted for independence and ask for membership into Russia, that's their choice. No different then the US having a standing position in it's early years under the Article of Confederation to accept Canada if it choose to leave the UK.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    At no point has Russia indicated that it will annex Donetsk, rather Russia position has been to ask Ukraine to accept a policy of Autonomy for them.
    The Russian proposal for autonomy (federation) in east Ukraine is quite unlike Swiss or American federation. Under the Russian schema, the federalized oblasts in the east (Luhansk/Donetsk) would be able to ratify foreign economic and military treaties independent of Kyiv. In essence, a country within a country conducting foreign relations that are at odds with the national government. The Russian Federation itself would never grant its constituent regions such independence from the central Moscow government. What the Russian schema/demand amounts to, is dismemberment by other means.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Putin has stated on numerous occasions that Russias and Urkainians are one people and that the borders are "artificial". Maidan or no Maidan, Putin was going to address the Ukrainian questions sooner than later. He is not going to allow Urkaine to go western with out a fight. Rather, he was going to try restore Ukraine to its "proper relationship" with Russia.
    I don't disagree with that. Do you think our government was unaware of it. Why did they provide him the impetus and the legitimacy.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    ... followed by a quite natural response from Ukraine, EU, and USA.
    Sure, except Russia's response has been effective, while the others, not so much.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No one started a problem. Ukraine is a free country and it can work with whomever it chooses to. I do not care of the Russian paranoid "NATO expansion" unsupported BS propaganda. Russia can take its intolerance and paranoid perceptions from Ukraine and us and divert them to China. Perhaps they may like it more than us.

    Lastly, you are of no position to represent Russia, much less strike deals on its behalf.
    How do you suppose I claimed to be a broker for Russia? My observations tell me that the West made an attempt to expand NATO eastward, that's hardly propaganda. I have also observed that Russia immediately called Bull**** and moved to counter it. It's in their utmost interest to prevent it. I also am observing that Western response to Russia's response hasn't backed Russia up one bit. It would appear that Russia is willing to pay the price to protect their interests, naturally.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Well, you saw the "period" word, so I guess Monte has a final say on these matters.
    Actually, Russian resolve and unflinching is the "period"! Deal with it.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    China has weighed in and upset BO peeps plan.....not to mention the Europeans aren't so in a rush to add any more on.



    China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia....

    China opposed additional sanctions against Russia on Monday over accusations Moscow was sending troops into Ukrainian territory, saying the European Union's push to draw up more measures would only complicate the crisis.

    The European Union on Sunday threatened Russia with new trade sanctions, but sharp divisions among leaders at a summit in Brussels left the timing of any measures uncertain.....snip~

    China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia

    Hey bud, yeah and I believe the longer this goes, and the more the West may push against Russia, the more we'll see China supporting Russia.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Feltser View Post
    Look how many thoughts and how many people have written in this thread. As if all of you worried about the Ukraine. They made problems by themselves. This is theater of the absurd. Why do you care when we have so many internal problems? Maybe you forgot about immigrants? Or I should remind you of the upcoming elections, which will not give us a choice? Or have you forgotten about the problems of our social policy?
    We are concerned because there are some that article 5 "requires" military support for Ukraine, though they aren't a NATO member. I have concern because I wouldn't like to see the US involved in a military action against Russia either directly or indirectly.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey bud, yeah and I believe the longer this goes, and the more the West may push against Russia, the more we'll see China supporting Russia.
    Heya Monte. Didn't Russia's and China's Oil deal go thru? Are they not accepting each others currency and not converting to the US dollar? War Games and exercises together. Plus both having disputes with us and now the Chinese refusing BO's Proposal for that region and the disputes with Vietnam, Japan, and the Philippines?

    I think they will be supporting each other for some time.....and solidly.

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