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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well I suppose you have nothing to rebut with but that old line. Actually though, dissent is not dislike, and wanting America to be better would only be seen as a negative by people that really do dislike.
    Not rebutting anything. Just commenting on something that saddens me.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

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    Not rebutting anything. Just commenting on something that saddens me.
    In that case we must agree, what I've complained of saddens me as well.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    ... followed by a quite natural response from Ukraine, EU, and USA.
    Well here's the deal DDD, the West started a problem they are impotent to repair. Russia will be tolerating no further NATO expansion, period!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well here's the deal DDD, the West started a problem they are impotent to repair. Russia will be tolerating no further NATO expansion, period!
    What are you blathering about? The West didn't start anything.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well here's the deal DDD, the West started a problem they are impotent to repair. Russia will be tolerating no further NATO expansion, period!
    No one started a problem. Ukraine is a free country and it can work with whomever it chooses to. I do not care of the Russian paranoid "NATO expansion" unsupported BS propaganda. Russia can take its intolerance and paranoid perceptions from Ukraine and us and divert them to China. Perhaps they may like it more than us.

    Lastly, you are of no position to represent Russia, much less strike deals on its behalf.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    What are you blathering about? The West didn't start anything.
    Well, you saw the "period" word, so I guess Monte has a final say on these matters.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    What are you blathering about? The West didn't start anything.
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    By Ray McGovern

    Washington’s role in the coup d’etat in Kiev on Feb. 22 has brought the U.S. a Pyrrhic victory, with the West claiming control of Ukraine albeit with a shaky grip that still requires the crushing of anti-coup rebels in the east. But the high-fiving may be short-lived once the full consequences of the putsch become clear.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/28...ng-on-ukraine/

    CFR’s flagship publication – Foreign Affairs – has just published a piece blaming the Ukraine crisis on the West.

    The piece by John Mearsheimer – in it’s September/October 2014 issue – accurately notes:
    The United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine — beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 — were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president — which he rightly labeled a “coup” — was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West. Putin’s pushback should have come as no surprise. After all, the West had been moving into Russia’s backyard and threatening its core strategic interests, a point Putin made emphatically and repeatedly. Elites in the United States and Europe have been blindsided by events only because they subscribe to a flawed view of international politics.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    China has weighed in and upset BO peeps plan.....not to mention the Europeans aren't so in a rush to add any more on.



    China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia....

    China opposed additional sanctions against Russia on Monday over accusations Moscow was sending troops into Ukrainian territory, saying the European Union's push to draw up more measures would only complicate the crisis.

    The European Union on Sunday threatened Russia with new trade sanctions, but sharp divisions among leaders at a summit in Brussels left the timing of any measures uncertain.....snip~

    China opposes proposed EU sanctions against Russia

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Look how many thoughts and how many people have written in this thread. As if all of you worried about the Ukraine. They made problems by themselves. This is theater of the absurd. Why do you care when we have so many internal problems? Maybe you forgot about immigrants? Or I should remind you of the upcoming elections, which will not give us a choice? Or have you forgotten about the problems of our social policy?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Feltser View Post
    Look how many thoughts and how many people have written in this thread. As if all of you worried about the Ukraine. They made problems by themselves. This is theater of the absurd. Why do you care when we have so many internal problems? Maybe you forgot about immigrants? Or I should remind you of the upcoming elections, which will not give us a choice? Or have you forgotten about the problems of our social policy?
    So when did you immigrate to the U.S.? From your posts it is clear that you are not a native English speaker, I'm guessing a Russian native.

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