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GOP Campaign ad exploits Foley's beheading

Its important to hang Obama and the failure of liberal policies around every democrat's neck.

Which is exactly what the Democrats did to the Republican candidates in 2004, 2006, and 2008.

I saw ads here in NH actually trying to tie first time candidates to Bush.
 
Entities within both parties have little regard for any degree of mud slinging or stooping to any level in the name of exploiting emotions to push their agenda and will always find ways to rationalize it.

Now excuse me while I go create an ad showing a vice presidential nominee murdering a struggling handicapped elderly woman.

 
That ad really doesn't tell me that Weh would be any different. Just posting your opponent in a bad light doesn't really say anything good about yourself. Even a quick look at his website doesn't even show anything more than the usual rhetoric. That's the thing that bothers me most about politicians on both sides, the bull**** vague promises of something better. Atleast he served our country which is more than most of the current senators can say.

Issues | Allen Weh
 
OH FFS I forgot about that ad, and how disgusted I was by it.

Yeah, Paul Ryan, the old lady murderer.

OMG! That's the first time I have seen that! Some idiot actually used that ad? :thumbdown:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:
 
OMG! That's the first time I have seen that! Some idiot actually used that ad? :thumbdown:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

Hey Pol! You didn't see that ad during the 2012 campaign? It was played repeatedly in NH. It made my blood boil.
 
The thread topic isn't leadership in Washington; it's the use of inappropriate content in the ad.

And one can absolutely feel it's appropriate by agreeing that leadership in washington is poor and that said poor leadership is connected with the situtaion that led to foley's death, and as such showing it is fair game.
 
That ad really doesn't tell me that Weh would be any different. Just posting your opponent in a bad light doesn't really say anything good about yourself. Even a quick look at his website doesn't even show anything more than the usual rhetoric. That's the thing that bothers me most about politicians on both sides, the bull**** vague promises of something better. Atleast he served our country which is more than most of the current senators can say.

Issues | Allen Weh

That's one of the sad realities of the political world that makes you quickly become disheartened when you first get into political science.

A lot of people seem to talk about how they'd rather positive and pro-active campaigns aimed at a candidate talking about themselves and their own vision....but time and again it seems when researched that negative campaigning and focusing on an opponent tends to be more successful.

We like to think we want the positive, but it seems that people by and large are more motivated by the negative.
 
Hey Pol! You didn't see that ad during the 2012 campaign? It was played repeatedly in NH. It made my blood boil.

No, thankfully I didn't! My blood ran cold from shock seeing it now - I can see why yours would boil during the very dirty campaign that we had in 2012! I would have been screaming in outrage that someone would be so trashy and evil to run an ad about what could be someone's grandma! That far exceeds the limits of decency, and would have been unthinkable not too many years ago - no wonder our country is heading for the edge of the cliff!
 
And one can absolutely feel it's appropriate by agreeing that leadership in washington is poor and that said poor leadership is connected with the situtaion that led to foley's death, and as such showing it is fair game.

Talk about a stretch on association and spinning.
 
Talk about a stretch on association and spinning.

You mean pretty much the common, every day, hammer and screw driver of political campaigns? Yep, I agree.

It's not that much of a stretch. It's the type of argument being made in politics for years. Our actions abroad, ie our foreign policy, has impact on what happens abroad.

Suggesting our foreign policy in that part of the world helped foment a situation where ISIS was able to come to be and where they felt emboldened enough to take said action against Foley is no different than what we've seen for ages in politics. For example how often did you hear suggestions that our foreign policy in terms of giving aid to israel helped create a situation where 9/11 would happen?

Again, criticizing it as being distasteful is perfectly reasonable imho. Suggesting it's a bit of a stretch or spinning is abosolutely reasonable too. But acting like it's some kind of agahst or unthinking able or confusing level of spinning or stretch compared to pretty much every other political race that generally happens? I just don't really see it.

This is largely what I expect out of campaigns and politicians, and it's why I don't get amazingly upset or aghast at things like this or Ryan murdering granny. This is the kind of stupid thing politics is in this country, and we the public are in part at fault for that since we're the ones by and large seemingly giving it positive feedback. I generally expect politicians to act like politicians and don't tend to hold that massively against them unless the very nature of NOT being a politician is the primary thing they're pushing about themselves.
 
You mean every day general politics? Yeah.

It's not that much of a stretch. It's the type of argument being made in politics for years. Our actions abroad, ie our foreign policy, has impact on what happens abroad.

Suggesting our foreign policy in that part of the world helped foment a situation where ISIS was able to come to be and where they felt emboldened enough to take said action against Foley is no different than what we've seen for ages in politics. For example how often did you hear suggestions that our foreign policy in terms of giving aid to israel helped create a situation where 9/11 would happen?

Again, criticizing it as being distasteful is perfectly reasonable imho. Suggesting it's a bit of a stretch or spinning is abosolutely reasonable too. But acting like it's some kind of agahst or unthinking able or confusing level of spinning or stretch compared to pretty much every other political race that generally happens? I just don't really see it.

I have no argument about our foreign policies affecting things abroad, it's the spinning that it is all ONE party as this ad does. It's a far stretch to associate ONE party for the blame.

Like it or not, the GOP ALSO voted against action in Syria.
 
I have no argument about our foreign policies affecting things abroad, it's the spinning that it is all ONE party as this ad does. It's a far stretch to associate ONE party for the blame.

Well...yeah. But seriously, how many non-primary ad's from either party do you see ever criticizing their own party even if it's something they're also guilty about? I mean, being upset or surprise or offended by a political ad being one sided is akin to being upset that the sun rose this morning or that water is wet.
 
Well...yeah. But seriously, how many non-primary ad's from either party do you see ever criticizing their own party even if it's something they're also guilty about? I mean, being upset or surprise or offended by a political ad being one sided is akin to being upset that the sun rose this morning or that water is wet.

Using in ANY way Foley for a partisan ad is simply disrespectful. That is the point. I don't expect the GOP to not point out their faults, but to use Foley in this way (even if it is by association) is both disrespectful and the candidate has shown he really doesn't care about Foley. Now, if the GOP wants to support that it says more about them.
 
That ad really doesn't tell me that Weh would be any different. Just posting your opponent in a bad light doesn't really say anything good about yourself. Even a quick look at his website doesn't even show anything more than the usual rhetoric. That's the thing that bothers me most about politicians on both sides, the bull**** vague promises of something better. Atleast he served our country which is more than most of the current senators can say.

Issues | Allen Weh
Spot on.
 
It seems the ad is attempting to suggest that there's a systemic lack of leadership in government as it relates to the party opposite of him and said lack of leadership is contributing to (or making us unable to help prevent, however you want to look at it) the issues of unrest abroad that have been at the forefront recently of american foreign policy.

As such, the poster seems to be pointing out that he thinks the ad is legitimate (seemingly) because he thinks the critique on the lack of leadership as legitimate.

Even if you disagree with him it's not hard in the least to understand how his post relates to the topic at hand. The ad was critiquing democratic leadership in washington, the article was critiquing the ad, the poster was agreeing with the ad's suggestion of a lack of democratic leadership in washington.

Weren't people beheaded in Iraq while Bush was president?
 
That ad really doesn't tell me that Weh would be any different. Just posting your opponent in a bad light doesn't really say anything good about yourself. Even a quick look at his website doesn't even show anything more than the usual rhetoric. That's the thing that bothers me most about politicians on both sides, the bull**** vague promises of something better. Atleast he served our country which is more than most of the current senators can say.

Issues | Allen Weh

Yep! It's pretty bad when the only good you've got, is somebody else's bad.
 
Using in ANY way Foley for a partisan ad is simply disrespectful.

And again, you're not getting any argument from me on that point at all. I've not suggested it's anything other than disrespectful in my opinion.

My posts to you haven't been because you've said this was disrespectful. My post to you was in reference to this post you made in response to Erod's comment about leadership in washington:

The Senator from New Mexico has WHAT to do with Foley? Maybe you can answer THAT question.

And I've been saying, it "has to do" with Foley in that he's suggesting better leadership in washington would lead to better foreign policy which the candidate believes would have not led to situations like foley's.

You can suggest that's disrespectful. You can suggest that's a stretch. You can suggest it's a partisan one sided look at it. What you can't do in my mind, because you've shown yourself over time to be an intelligent person with the ability to comprehend things, is watch that video and not CLEARLY see that the candidate was suggesting current lack of leadership (in his opinion) on foreign policy in washington has to do with current unrest in the ME (which includes foley). Your question you flippantly demanded from Erod is an obvious and clear one. If you want to disagree with the premise then do so, but the faux confusion as to what the premise even is was what I had an issue with.
 
The Senator from New Mexico has WHAT to do with Foley? Maybe you can answer THAT question.

Because all Democrats currently in office are responsible for not holding Obama accountable and blocking or attempting to block any reasonable action that would hold the idiot accountable. They have surrendered their Constitutional responsibilities and powers to support Obama.
 
No, thankfully I didn't! My blood ran cold from shock seeing it now - I can see why yours would boil during the very dirty campaign that we had in 2012! I would have been screaming in outrage that someone would be so trashy and evil to run an ad about what could be someone's grandma! That far exceeds the limits of decency, and would have been unthinkable not too many years ago - no wonder our country is heading for the edge of the cliff!

Ithink it is second only to the 10:10 ad in the UK that graphically depicts teachers blowing up children who question global warming.
 
I think the GOP needs to do more of this, MUCH more.

Tim-
 
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