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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Handing an uzi to a 9-year old with no shooting experience is like handing a Learjet to a 9-year old with no flying experience.



    Why are guns the one topic that we're not allowed to discuss after a bad event? When the levees broke in New Orleans, nobody said "NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT FLOOD PROTECTION." After 9/11, not one person said "NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY."

    This is exactly the time you talk about guns. A bad thing happened. What can we do to reduce the risk of a similar incident? That's how rational, intelligent beings operate. They observe their surroundings, they observe events, and they alter their behavior going forward based on that. Even a freaking rat can learn from its experiences. Maybe talking about this is what makes some other gun range instructor think "You know, I've been letting little kids handle powerful weapons... maybe I should consider NOT DOING THAT."
    The decision making is poor. Gun rights are not the issue and shouldn't be the issue. The events you gave are good examples. Turning this discussion from guns should not be allowed in the hands of the American citizenry would be like saying the solution to the levees is not have cities near the water.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    So the parents were at the shooting range and approved the girls training with an Uzi? Did the parents also let the girl drive the family home?

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

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    Hyperbole on steroids!
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by ZalmoxeAgoraeus View Post
    1 word I have for this: 'Murica!
    I have a word for your word : Meme

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why was it "his responsibility" to refuse to comply? It's perfectly legal in the state of Arizona. He was a trained professional. He had probably done this before. He was an employee, not a psychiatrist.

    The responsibility lay with her parents, not him. She could just have likely hurt herself.
    Are you kidding me? It was his responsibility because he was the trained professional. Legality does nothing to absolve him from responsibility for his actions. It was clear the girl knew nothing or very little about firearms or firearm safety and was too small and weak to handle an automatic weapon and yet he went ahead and put a loaded Uzi in her hands and he's not responsible in any way? WTF
    Last edited by Winchester; 08-28-14 at 11:48 AM.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    Are you kidding me? It was his responsibility because he was the trained professional. Legality does nothing to absolve him from responsibility for his actions. It was clear the girl knew nothing or very little about firearms or firearm safety and was to small and weak to handle an automatic weapon and yet he went ahead and put a loaded Uzi in her hands and he's not responsible in any way? WTF
    If it's legal in the state, and legal at the gun range, and he had done it before without anyone being shot, why would he "refuse" to do it? On what grounds? He worked at a gun range and knew the rules, and the parents - the people ultimately responsible for the child - were not only all for it, they filmed it. Who is he to say "no" unless his boss orders him to? I doubt he thought he was going to be fired?

    I personally as a parent wouldn't let my 3 year old child skydive, but if it's legal, it's been done, and a parent says he wants his 3 year old to skydive, should the skydiving provider say "No, I'm not going to do this"?

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If it's legal in the state, and legal at the gun range, and he had done it before without anyone being shot, why would he "refuse" to do it? On what grounds? He worked at a gun range and knew the rules, and the parents - the people ultimately responsible for the child - were not only all for it, they filmed it. Who is he to say "no" unless his boss orders him to? I doubt he thought he was going to be fired?

    I personally as a parent wouldn't let my 3 year old child skydive, but if it's legal, it's been done, and a parent says he wants his 3 year old to skydive, should the skydiving provider say "No, I'm not going to do this"?
    Absolutely he should say no if he has any misgivings about the safety of the participant. Just because something is legal does not absolve one of responsibility or personal judgement.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If it's legal in the state, and legal at the gun range, and he had done it before without anyone being shot, why would he "refuse" to do it? On what grounds? He worked at a gun range and knew the rules, and the parents - the people ultimately responsible for the child - were not only all for it, they filmed it. Who is he to say "no" unless his boss orders him to? I doubt he thought he was going to be fired?

    I personally as a parent wouldn't let my 3 year old child skydive, but if it's legal, it's been done, and a parent says he wants his 3 year old to skydive, should the skydiving provider say "No, I'm not going to do this"?
    I'm sure his ghost feels much better that it was legal.

    I'm not going to run around saying "ban all the guns," but it takes a special kind of stupid to give an automatic weapon to a child and then stand nearby.


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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If it's legal in the state, and legal at the gun range, and he had done it before without anyone being shot, why would he "refuse" to do it? On what grounds? He worked at a gun range and knew the rules, and the parents - the people ultimately responsible for the child - were not only all for it, they filmed it. Who is he to say "no" unless his boss orders him to? I doubt he thought he was going to be fired?
    Because most (if not nearly all ranges) give the instructor full authority to refuse training or range time to anybody for any reason- and that goes double for obvious safety issues. Each request is handled individually. It is simply a matter of trust between the owner and the instructors.

    In short, the following does not guarantee training at most ranges:

    -The activity is legal (so what)
    -range time was purchased (here is a refund)
    -the individuals want to do it (not here)
    - one, a hundred, or a thousand other people have done it before (yawn)

    Rather, as each case is evaluated individually and responsible range owners would never force an instructor to train or allow activity he did not feel comfortable with. Likewise, most instructors would never work for any owner who forces them to take safety risks or forced them to give training they were not comfortable with.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 08-28-14 at 12:01 PM.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by ZalmoxeAgoraeus View Post
    1 word I have for this: 'Murica!
    That was some instructor, wasn't it?

    Obviously, murika needs more gunz, and more people who know how to use them.

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