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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Exactly. You can't put this on the instructor completely, the parent ultimately were the ones who made the call.
    Well his death is pretty much his own fault. In video shown on our local news, you see her make the first shot, then he sets her up for semi-auto fire, but doesnt maintain control of the weapon. He holds her arms, not the weapon. Bad decision. The gun goes sideways, straight at his head.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I think there is legitimate scope for some debate about training of instructors and rules around young children using guns. You'd be setting a dangerous president if any incident involving firearms is automatically closed down for discussion. Obviously the stupid generalist rants (from all sides) about guns are a waste of time but that doesn't mean there aren't elements that are worthy of intelligent discussion. The only question is whether anyone relevant is capable of it.
    You may have a point because, since he did not maintain control of the gun, it could have hit someone else instead.

    OTOH I dont know what kind of training he had and what the range required for that circumstance. Maybe he just disregarded or forgot.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Exactly my thoughts. Her parents were responsible for her, not the instructor. Nobody in their right mind would encourage a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi. It's a long way from that to a small pistol.

    Her life is forever going to be scarred by this incident. I feel terrible for her and for the family of the instructor who was killed.
    The instructor was responsible for the safety of himself, the kid, and everyone else at the range. The way he handled it....she could just as easily killed someone else there or possibly herself. He made the mistake and he paid for it.

    Poor kid.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    He should have helped to hold her wrists at the very least. It was idiotic to turn her over with the weapon on her own.
    His hands needed to be on the weapon. They were on her arms.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post


    9-year-old girl accidentally shoots instructor with Uzi

    Okay I'm not going to go the anti gun route with this but who in their right mind would take their 9 year old daughter to a gun range to shoot a UZI !!!!! Now because of this a man is dead and a little girl is traumatized.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    It was a mistake. But one that cost him his life.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It was a mistake. But one that cost him his life.
    Heavy machinery, explosives, chain saws, airplanes, motorboats, firearms. Some jobs don't allow you to make mistakes, so they require a higher degree of discipline from the people who have to perform them.
    First thing I thought to myself when I saw the video was "what the hell is his head doing so close to the line of fire?". But then again, a company that offers 9-year olds shooting lessons, not as a serious skill that takes years to develop and maintain, but for 10 minutes of entertaniment, doesn't exactly seem like a serious, well-disciplined organization to me.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    1 word I have for this: 'Murica!

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    We're talking about responsibility not criticism. He was irresponsible in his actions, actions that ended in tragedy. The parents were idiots for wanting their 9 yo shoot an Uzi as an instructor it was his responsibility to refuse to comply with their idiotic wishes and inform them why they were idiotic. Do I feel bad that the guy is dead, sure.
    Why was it "his responsibility" to refuse to comply? It's perfectly legal in the state of Arizona. He was a trained professional. He had probably done this before. He was an employee, not a psychiatrist.

    The responsibility lay with her parents, not him. She could just have likely hurt herself.

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