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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes, Sub-Machine Guns will climb up on you if you're not familiar with shooting them or too weak to control them.

    Bad call on the instructors part and not the girls fault what so ever.
    And I think Uzia are espescially prone to climb. This, and other control problems with Uzis, led many nations to reject them in favor of German submachine guns for elite hostage rescue teams etc. This was despite Uzis appearing first.

    In fact, I think the German MP-5 has become so popular that it is the global standard for special rescue teams etc.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Exactly. You can't put this on the instructor completely, the parent ultimately were the ones who made the call.
    Yes you can, the guy was the INSTRUCTOR, an "expert" he should have damn well put a stop to it and refused when the parent brought this child to the range to shoot an Uzi and told them in no uncertain terms it was dangerous and stupid as hell.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Exactly. You can't put this on the instructor completely, the parent ultimately were the ones who made the call.
    I don't know everything that transpired but it looks like the girl got almost no instruction before the weapon was set to auto. The instructor was also in the wrong position to help her control the weapon. He is the one the parents were relying on and he failed.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't know everything that transpired but it looks like the girl got almost no instruction before the weapon was set to auto. The instructor was also in the wrong position to help her control the weapon. He is the one the parents were relying on and he failed.
    I know, it was like one shot then let's try auto with absolutely no explanation of what a big difference that is.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't know everything that transpired but it looks like the girl got almost no instruction before the weapon was set to auto. The instructor was also in the wrong position to help her control the weapon. He is the one the parents were relying on and he failed.
    I have to some what disagree with you on this. I don't know too many parents who would enroll their kids in anything that has serious consequences without educating themselves. I myself would have told the instructor that they should assist my daughter in holding the Uzi.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I know, it was like one shot then let's try auto with absolutely no explanation of what a big difference that is.
    He should have helped to hold her wrists at the very least. It was idiotic to turn her over with the weapon on her own.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I think there is legitimate scope for some debate about training of instructors and rules around young children using guns. You'd be setting a dangerous president if any incident involving firearms is automatically closed down for discussion. Obviously the stupid generalist rants (from all sides) about guns are a waste of time but that doesn't mean there aren't elements that are worthy of intelligent discussion. The only question is whether anyone relevant is capable of it.
    Agreed. I was only thinking about the gun rights aspect of it.
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Exactly. You can't put this on the instructor completely, the parent ultimately were the ones who made the call.
    Exactly my thoughts. Her parents were responsible for her, not the instructor. Nobody in their right mind would encourage a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi. It's a long way from that to a small pistol.

    Her life is forever going to be scarred by this incident. I feel terrible for her and for the family of the instructor who was killed.

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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    WRT to the instructor, while he seems to have exercised extremely poor judgement I don't think he was the one filming it. The video was, apparently, shot by the girls parents.
    I wonder if they sold it?
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    Re: 9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

    The only thing that could have helped this is if the parents started training their children at the age of 7 with life sized toy uzis that simulated a real uzi. That way when they get to high school there will be more accuracy in gunning down the teachers and fellow students.

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