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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Palm Center study is flawed for several reasons. First, an open call for survey participants is not random. Second, when a person's livelihood depends that they hold a given position you will find the participants will gravitate to that position regardless of their own beliefs.

    Putting an ad in a military magazine requesting input is bad statistics.
    Still waiting on you to show us all that harm to morale. You said you can.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's funny because you support my claim and dismiss it at the same time.
    Yes. I dismiss it. I dismiss the idea that a shop owner is harmed when they can't put up a "NO BLACKS" or "NO JEWS" sign on their door.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny, because the DADT repeal didn't do anything to harm military readiness or unit cohesion. You can spam a bunch of other topics if you like, but the question is specific. You claim you can show a harm to morale.

    Do so.


    While the 2012 view on repeal of DADT showed a reduction in those who see it as a negative impact on morale, it was still 1 in 5 soldiers who saw it as negative, and of those who thought it would have an impact, negative outpaced positive 4 to 1. There was, therefore, a negative impact on morale.

    And they push this nonsense while morale in the military is already collapsing. Great time to experiment!
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's funny because you support my claim and dismiss it at the same time.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    While the 2012 view on repeal of DADT showed a reduction in those who see it as a negative impact on morale, it was still 1 in 5 soldiers who saw it as negative, and of those who thought it would have an impact, negative outpaced positive 4 to 1. There was, therefore, a negative impact on morale.

    And they push this nonsense while morale in the military is already collapsing. Great time to experiment!
    Looks to me like there was little effect, and that the effects are diminishing quickly. Every metric moved towards "no problem." over the course of that year.

    I think we'll make it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. I dismiss it. I dismiss the idea that a shop owner is harmed when they can't put up a "NO BLACKS" or "NO JEWS" sign on their door.
    This is not the same thing at all and I think you know that. If a gay couple came into the bakery to buy baked goods they wouldn't be turned away.

    This is a specific kind of cake that the baker was unwilling to make.

    Let's say there is a very liberal bakery in a town where there is a mayoral election. The Baker really likes the Democratic candidate and supports them through the election cycle. On election day the Conservative Republican Tea Party candidate wins the election.. if the Tea Party candidate calls the bakery to order a cake for the inauguration, would you force the bakery to bake them a cake?
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Looks to me like there was little effect, and that the effects are diminishing quickly. Every metric moved towards "no problem." over the course of that year.

    I think we'll make it.
    21% is a high number for bad morale, especially in the military that feeds off morale. And that is on top of the already collapsing morale in the armed forces.

    Granted, a considerable amount of the low morale stems from having a buffoon as Commander in Chief.

    And I am glad you think they will make it, given the historically low morale of the US military right now I say your optimism is unsupported.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    While the 2012 view on repeal of DADT showed a reduction in those who see it as a negative impact on morale, it was still 1 in 5 soldiers who saw it as negative, and of those who thought it would have an impact, negative outpaced positive 4 to 1. There was, therefore, a negative impact on morale.

    And they push this nonsense while morale in the military is already collapsing. Great time to experiment!
    Just because some still wrongly think it is, doesn't mean it has had any effect in reality. And if it is just on those who believe it would, then it is really their own beliefs about it that are causing the problem, not the actual repeal.

    Oh, and none of that "survey" found that it was due to the repeal of DADT.

    A major concern that the survey identified was whether the Army would be able to keep top-notch leaders as it cuts its ranks, as well as fears it would be stretched too thin to meet unforeseen demands. - See more at: Army survey finds only one in four soldiers confident in branch’s future - The Boston Globe
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    21% is a high number for bad morale, especially in the military that feeds off morale. And that is on top of the already collapsing morale in the armed forces.

    Granted, a considerable amount of the low morale stems from having a buffoon as Commander in Chief.

    And I am glad you think they will make it, given the historically low morale of the US military right now I say your optimism is unsupported.
    I'm going to call bull on it. I'm in the military, and you can't even notice there's a change. We had literally one person in a unit of 60 even present negative feelings on it and he was frustrated because of potential berthing issues, something we are not likely to face.

    The majority of the problems are in these people's heads. They are seeing things that aren't actually happening. Or they are attributing single incidents to the entire repeal. Their bad attitude to begin with is almost certainly the issue.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just because some still wrongly think it is, doesn't mean it has had any effect in reality. And if it is just on those who believe it would, then it is really their own beliefs about it that are causing the problem, not the actual repeal.
    Those polled were all active military, so it is their morale they are speaking to.

    Oh, and none of that "survey" found that it was due to the repeal of DADT.
    The first survey showed that 1 in 5 people in the military see repeal of DADT effects morale. The second study was to show that this morale killer was being introduced while morale is at historic lows. I read the "military getting too soft" as the code for DADT repeal.
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