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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You can't show that morale would take any serious, particularly detrimental blows from just allowing transgender people to serve openly. Allowing them more freedom, particularly while in civilian clothes.
    No, I can. I have seen the effect on the general public of the professional grievance merchants who first start by calling for equality and quickly shift to crushing opposing thought through legal and social means. Just recently we watched the national debate go from "should gays get married?" to lawsuits forcing people to participate in gay marriages against their will. Abortion began as a woman's right to privacy and today we have people's business being picketed and people being fired for opposing abortion. Obama was hailed as a shining moment in the closing of the racial divide, now you are a racist is you disagree with his policies. First comes the innocent appeal, then comes the hammer. It is the way of the new left.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, I can. I have seen the effect on the general public of the professional grievance merchants who first start by calling for equality and quickly shift to crushing opposing thought through legal and social means. Just recently we watched the national debate go from "should gays get married?" to lawsuits forcing people to participate in gay marriages against their will. Abortion began as a woman's right to privacy and today we have people's business being picketed and people being fired for opposing abortion. Obama was hailed as a shining moment in the closing of the racial divide, now you are a racist is you disagree with his policies. First comes the innocent appeal, then comes the hammer. It is the way of the new left.

    Save the naive view of how this game is played for someone who doesn't know better.
    So it's ok to uphold people's rights...sometimes? Exercising your rights is guaranteed by the govt....the consequences of doing so aside from that are your own. Dont want to be called out as a racist, homophobe, misogynist? Dont discriminate in your personal life or business. You have the right to...but the consequences can still be there.

    And I have yet to hear of anyone who was forced into gay marriage. Links?
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So it's ok to uphold people's rights...sometimes? Exercising your rights is guaranteed by the govt....the consequences of doing so aside from that are your own. Dont want to be called out as a racist, homophobe, misogynist? Dont discriminate in your personal life or business. You have the right to...but the consequences can still be there.

    And I have yet to hear of anyone who was forced into gay marriage. Links?
    I said participate. I am talking about the bakery that was sued because it didn't want to make a gay wedding cake.

    Also, having the government crack down on you for your opinion is not as indicative of freedom as you seem to think....
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, I can. I have seen the effect on the general public of the professional grievance merchants who first start by calling for equality and quickly shift to crushing opposing thought through legal and social means. Just recently we watched the national debate go from "should gays get married?" to lawsuits forcing people to participate in gay marriages against their will. Abortion began as a woman's right to privacy and today we have people's business being picketed and people being fired for opposing abortion. Obama was hailed as a shining moment in the closing of the racial divide, now you are a racist is you disagree with his policies. First comes the innocent appeal, then comes the hammer. It is the way of the new left.

    Save the naive view of how this game is played for someone who doesn't know better.
    No, you objectively can't.

    The very fact that you are trying to connect same sex marriage to public accommodation laws shows the flaws in your argument. They are being forced to abide by laws that are already in place, just as those against interracial marriages/relationships are "forced" to do, or they face civil penalties. There are companies being boycotted for supporting same sex marriage and gay parenting and businesses being picketed and firebombed for performing or supporting abortions as well.

    The person who is showing their partisanship here is you.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If you don't count morale, but then, since 1955, when has a Democrat ever considered the morale of the armed forces.
    They said that about the DADT repeal.

    http://www.palmcenter.org/files/One%20Year%20Out_0.pdf

    In balance, DADT repeal has enhanced the military’s ability to pursue its mission.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, I can. I have seen the effect on the general public of the professional grievance merchants who first start by calling for equality and quickly shift to crushing opposing thought through legal and social means. Just recently we watched the national debate go from "should gays get married?" to lawsuits forcing people to participate in gay marriages against their will. Abortion began as a woman's right to privacy and today we have people's business being picketed and people being fired for opposing abortion. Obama was hailed as a shining moment in the closing of the racial divide, now you are a racist is you disagree with his policies. First comes the innocent appeal, then comes the hammer. It is the way of the new left.

    Save the naive view of how this game is played for someone who doesn't know better.
    Funny, because the DADT repeal didn't do anything to harm military readiness or unit cohesion. You can spam a bunch of other topics if you like, but the question is specific. You claim you can show a harm to morale.

    Do so.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I said participate. I am talking about the bakery that was sued because it didn't want to make a gay wedding cake.

    Also, having the government crack down on you for your opinion is not as indicative of freedom as you seem to think....
    LMAO

    Baking a cake is 'participating in a gay marriage?'

    Do they also 'participate' in Bar Mitzvahs, graduations, Eid-al-Fitr (the celebration breaking Ramadan)?

    And yeah....all those restaurant and theatre owners that set up seats in the back or denied entry period said the same thing...the govt was just crushing their 'opinions.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They said that about the DADT repeal.

    http://www.palmcenter.org/files/One%20Year%20Out_0.pdf
    The Palm Center study is flawed for several reasons. First, an open call for survey participants is not random. Second, when a person's livelihood depends that they hold a given position you will find the participants will gravitate to that position regardless of their own beliefs.

    Putting an ad in a military magazine requesting input is bad statistics.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LMAO

    Baking a cake is 'participating in a gay marriage?'

    Do they also 'participate' in Bar Mitzvahs, graduations, Eid-al-Fitr (the celebration breaking Ramadan)?

    And yeah....all those restaurant and theatre owners that set up seats in the back or denied entry period said the same thing...the govt was just crushing their 'opinions.'
    It's funny because you support my claim and dismiss it at the same time.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Palm Center study is flawed for several reasons. First, an open call for survey participants is not random. Second, when a person's livelihood depends that they hold a given position you will find the participants will gravitate to that position regardless of their own beliefs.

    Putting an ad in a military magazine requesting input is bad statistics.
    I'm in the military. It has basically become a nonissue. I was a military spouse when it happened. Guess how it affected morale for my husband or those he worked with? Oh, it didn't. Because it doesn't matter and those against it are just being fearmongers.
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