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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't have an exact number but I do know that there is a forum somewhere on the web for them and there were an awful lot on there. I was checking it out after my sister came out to us, while still in the Army.

    So long as there is just a few, that is enough, especially if they are filling critical roles. Personally, I think that such a transition should go slow, as I stated earlier, particularly when it comes to pre-op or those who don't plan on getting any surgery. It should start with allowing post-op transsexuals in (if you have all the right parts, there is no issue with berthings, or there shouldn't be). And they should look into changing some of the civilian clothes and appearance policies.
    You do realize that an internet forum is not a very rigorous statistics gathering methodology?
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does it matter?
    It does for an argument claiming there are a lot of transgenders in the Military,
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It does for an argument claiming there are a lot of transgenders in the Military,
    I don't think it matters how many there are. There's no benefit to continuing to bar them from service.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You do realize that an internet forum is not a very rigorous statistics gathering methodology?
    I realize that there are more than just a couple and less than "a whole helluva lot". In reality, it doesn't matter. They don't really need that much adjustments for what is being asked for.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't think it matters how many there are. There's no benefit to continuing to bar them from service.
    If you don't count morale, but then, since 1955, when has a Democrat ever considered the morale of the armed forces.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It does for an argument claiming there are a lot of transgenders in the Military,
    Actually the claim was "many" which is relative. There are more than a lot of the population may realize. There certainly are more than I realized there were when I first started researching it.

    But here is an estimate from actual researchers.

    https://news.vice.com/article/allowi...-is-inevitable

    This effort was aided by reports from the Palm Center think tank in March 2014 and the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law in May, which estimate that around 15,500 people currently serving in the US military are transgender. Data from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey and the US Census Bureau shows that there are about 134,300 transgender veterans, and that military service is more common among transgender people than it is among the general American population. No data is available on whether these individuals are pre- or post-transition.
    My sister is one of those "134,300 transgender veterans".
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Nope.

    The subject of the thread is "transgendered" soldiers, not closet homosexuals that risk being outed. And as far as "talent pool"? Are there really large numbers of trannies out there just chomping at the bit to enlist?
    Ok so then how about this example

    Landon Wilson, Transgender Navy Sailor, On Being Discharged And His Documentary Project

    Military spent half a million dollars training him only to kick him out in the middle of a deployment to Afghanistan.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If you don't count morale, but then, since 1955, when has a Democrat ever considered the morale of the armed forces.
    You can't show that morale would take any serious, particularly detrimental blows from just allowing transgender people to serve openly. Allowing them more freedom, particularly while in civilian clothes.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Ok so then how about this example

    Landon Wilson, Transgender Navy Sailor, On Being Discharged And His Documentary Project

    Military spent half a million dollars training him only to kick him out in the middle of a deployment to Afghanistan.
    Oh, that is so sad. And exactly the point. He should have been allowed to simply switch, especially at that point, without much issue. What exactly is the problem? I understand that he went behind people's back to do this, and that could be an issue. But the bigger issue is that there was no way to do it otherwise.

    And I cannot tell that he used to be a she. I was wondering at first before I read through it if they simply took a picture of him at a time when the military made him dress appropriately for a man.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Oh, that is so sad. And exactly the point. He should have been allowed to simply switch, especially at that point, without much issue. What exactly is the problem? I understand that he went behind people's back to do this, and that could be an issue. But the bigger issue is that there was no way to do it otherwise.

    And I cannot tell that he used to be a she. I was wondering at first before I read through it if they simply took a picture of him at a time when the military made him dress appropriately for a man.
    Yeah it was pretty ****ty. And from what I heard they didnt even wait for a replacement to fill his position before kicking him out.

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