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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    No, catering. Just let them serve like everyone else.
    You misunderstood my use of the word "catering". I meant it in terms of submitting to the desires of a small group of people who want to do something.

    But accommodations would have to be made. When women were integrated into the service separate facilities needed to be built and new organizational structures put in place to deal with woman specific issues (like women's health issues).

    I have no idea what changes might be needed to integrate transgendered people into the military but military service today is not an obligation, nor is it a right. Given that the benefit from having transgendered people in the service - in terms of broadened candidate pool or some specific benefit that only transgendered people can bring to the table - has to outweigh the cost of integrating or the money is simply not well spent.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    I would like to support transgendered troops by having a law that says those who rape our female soldiers need to be castrated.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The wrong question is being asked here. The questions that should be being asked are...

    How does allowing transgendered troops BENEFIT the military? Would the introduction of transgendered troops give us any sort of tactical advantage? Is the net result a stronger fighting force? Is their a tangible benefit besides appeasing the gods of political correctness?
    Larger pool of talent to draw from. Fewer losses of assets when a valuable member of our armed forces is discharged when they get "outed." (example: before the DADT repeal, a highly-decorated fighter pilot was booted because he was outed. We spent millions training that guy.)

    Good enough for you?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Larger pool of talent to draw from. Fewer losses of assets when a valuable member of our armed forces is discharged when they get "outed." (example: before the DADT repeal, a highly-decorated fighter pilot was booted because he was outed. We spent millions training that guy.)

    Good enough for you?
    Nope.

    The subject of the thread is "transgendered" soldiers, not closet homosexuals that risk being outed. And as far as "talent pool"? Are there really large numbers of trannies out there just chomping at the bit to enlist?

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Larger pool of talent to draw from. Fewer losses of assets when a valuable member of our armed forces is discharged when they get "outed." (example: before the DADT repeal, a highly-decorated fighter pilot was booted because he was outed. We spent millions training that guy.)

    Good enough for you?
    It takes about a million dollars to train a single nuke, and the prerequisites to go through the training program make it hard to find people who can do it. This is why they offer nukes bonuses for enlistment and to reenlist. I got about $30K when I reenlisted, and turned down about $60K to reenlist a second time. I also knew 3 nukes from my ship put out under DADT, one voluntarily and two involuntarily. Had DADT not been in place, none of them would have been discharged (and the one who volunteered wouldn't have felt the need to do so had the military recognized her spouse the same as they did me when my husband was active duty).

    My transgendered sister left the Army because she had to hide. She had to dress and act and look like a man although she feels like a woman.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Nope.

    The subject of the thread is "transgendered" soldiers, not closet homosexuals that risk being outed. And as far as "talent pool"? Are there really large numbers of trannies out there just chomping at the bit to enlist?
    Actually, there are many already in and some who would be more likely to stay in if they could be more open about it.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, there are many already in and some who would be more likely to stay in if they could be more open about it.
    How many? Or are you just guessing?
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Nope.

    The subject of the thread is "transgendered" soldiers, not closet homosexuals that risk being outed. And as far as "talent pool"? Are there really large numbers of trannies out there just chomping at the bit to enlist?
    It's the same issue that homosexuals used to face, so I used an example.

    How many valuable members of the military are you willing to discharge, or prevent enlistment, to maintain this rule?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    How many? Or are you just guessing?
    Does it matter?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    How many? Or are you just guessing?
    I don't have an exact number but I do know that there is a forum somewhere on the web for them and there were an awful lot on there. I was checking it out after my sister came out to us, while still in the Army.

    So long as there is just a few, that is enough, especially if they are filling critical roles. Personally, I think that such a transition should go slow, as I stated earlier, particularly when it comes to pre-op or those who don't plan on getting any surgery. It should start with allowing post-op transsexuals in (if you have all the right parts, there is no issue with berthings, or there shouldn't be). And they should look into changing some of the civilian clothes and appearance policies.
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