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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Nonsense. They'd have custom uniforms before the end of the decade.

    It happened with women. It'd happen for transsexuals as well.
    The last thing we want is to be different then the gender we present as. Trans-females will want to wear female uniforms and trans-males will want to wear male uniforms.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Awareness campaigns, massive PR campaigns meant to sell the idea, "sensitivity" curriculum, committees dedicated to looking into ways to make transsexuals feel "more comfortable," modifications to housing and barracks, massively inflated costs devoted to EO complaints lobbied by transsexuals who feel "discriminated against," new training curriculum, etca, etca...

    The list is basically endless.
    Ok, you have a point here. I dont think it is an over-riding point, but it is a definate point to be discussed.



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    By which you mean making them suck it up and dress and lodge with their birth gender, like everyone else?

    Sure. I could go for that.
    No, allowing them to stay with the gender they identify as is not catering. It is just continuing what is already happening outside of the military anyway. I do admit, it might be too early yet.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    The last thing we want is to be different then the gender we present as. Trans-females will want to wear female uniforms and trans-males will want to wear male uniforms.
    They won't fit right, and we'll eventually wind up with the same situation we had where "unisex" uniforms were concerned.

    Some dumbass up the chain will inevitably suggest making male uniforms with an expanded cut in the chest to accommodate breasts, and vice versa for the females. They will then subcontract the job out to some crony company at a ridiculously inflated government rate.

    It's the way government works. If there's an excuse to waste tax payer money while showering one's self in accolades, the bureaucrats in charge will take it.

    Ok, you have a point here. I dont think it is an over-riding point, but it is a definate point to be discussed.
    Would the military wind up having to pay for gender reassignment surgery?

    No, allowing them to stay with the gender they identify as is not catering. It is just continuing what is already happening outside of the military anyway. I do admit, it might be too early yet.
    If you try to garrison transsexual men with females, you're going to run into some issues. The same goes for trying to garrison transsexual women with males.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    So more Generals signing on that the military should remove the transgender ban. What do you guys think? Should transgender troops be allowed to serve openly in the US Military.

    News to me. I thought transgenders weren't allowed to serve at all simply due to the hormone therapy.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They won't fit right, and we'll eventually wind up with the same situation we had where "unisex" uniforms were concerned.

    Some dumbass up the chain will inevitably suggest making male uniforms with an expanded cut in the chest to accommodate breasts, and vice versa for the females. They will then subcontract the job out to some crony company at a ridiculously inflated government rate.

    It's the way government works. If there's an excuse to waste tax payer money while showering one's self in accolades, the bureaucrats in charge will take it.



    Would the military wind up having to pay for gender reassignment surgery?



    If you try to garrison transsexual men with females, you're going to run into some issues. The same goes for trying to garrison transsexual women with males.
    The uniform is simple, tran females wear female uniforms and trans males wear male uniforms.

    I agree the other needs researched and/or more time to see if it becomes more sociably accepted.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Much better to have those dedicated to protecting our country and willing to fight for that right and for us than those that sign up just for a job or because they have no other options.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well there is already 15,500 in the military. Dont know if that is considered "lining up to serve" in your opinion. Dont see why it matters
    It matters because I'm curious how big an issue this was. There's a ban on transgenders in place apparently. I don't know why that is, and I don't know if there are a lot of them who want to serve which is prompting this issue to be breaking news. Is it theater, or is it to actually do something because it impacts a lot of people?

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It matters because I'm curious how big an issue this was. There's a ban on transgenders in place apparently. I don't know why that is, and I don't know if there are a lot of them who want to serve which is prompting this issue to be breaking news. Is it theater, or is it to actually do something because it impacts a lot of people?
    Perhaps it should be a matter of who is best qualified to do a particular job and able to work, without undue disruption, within a team-oriented framework. The rest wouldn't seem to matter so much.

    Those men who served with Bergdahl said they would have laid down their lives for him under enemy attack, and expected the same. I think that idea would transfer to all their fellow soldiers no matter what their sexual orientation.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How many transgender people are there in the country? How many are of the appropriate age to serve? How many of those are capable of satisfactorily performing the whatever physical and mental tasks that need to be performed? How many of those actually want to join the military? I'm guessing we're talking about an insignificant number of people - a few thousand if I had to guess. If catering to them means lots of money and organizational upset it hardly seems worth the effort.
    There are more transgender soldiers than one might think. Obviously there aren't a whole lot, but there are enough, although most are in hiding since there are different standards on and off duty for what can be worn for each gender/sex in the military. They even have a discussion forum of their own somewhere on the net. I went looking for more information after my transgendered sister, who was in the Army at the time, came out to us and found the forum, just can't remember what the name was.

    A few thousand in a military of less than 1.5 million is a pretty good number. It's 0.13%, and there wouldn't really be too many changes needed. There are uniforms already there for both genders, and several working uniforms are now unisex. Our NWUs are unisex, which is why I can wear the ones my husband has (besides the rank anyway, but the pants are easily switched).
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They won't fit right, and we'll eventually wind up with the same situation we had where "unisex" uniforms were concerned.

    Some dumbass up the chain will inevitably suggest making male uniforms with an expanded cut in the chest to accommodate breasts, and vice versa for the females. They will then subcontract the job out to some crony company at a ridiculously inflated government rate.

    It's the way government works. If there's an excuse to waste tax payer money while showering one's self in accolades, the bureaucrats in charge will take it.

    Would the military wind up having to pay for gender reassignment surgery?

    If you try to garrison transsexual men with females, you're going to run into some issues. The same goes for trying to garrison transsexual women with males.
    In the Navy, our working uniforms, NWUs and coveralls anyway, already are unisex. The other uniforms are generally tailored, particularly those that would see the most issues.

    Now, personally, I think there should be some wait for this. I don't think it would be so much of an issue accepting transsexuals into the military or allowing transgendered soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen to go out in their civilian attire as their preferred gendered, but I do believe it may be a bit soon to have preop transgendered personnel to live as their preferred gender in the military.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In the Navy, our working uniforms, NWUs and coveralls anyway, already are unisex. The other uniforms are generally tailored, particularly those that would see the most issues.

    Now, personally, I think there should be some wait for this. I don't think it would be so much of an issue accepting transsexuals into the military or allowing transgendered soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen to go out in their civilian attire as their preferred gendered, but I do believe it may be a bit soon to have preop transgendered personnel to live as their preferred gender in the military.
    As a pre-op transexual who served in the Navy, I agree with this. Not that my agreement really matters, just saying.

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