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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, obviously people here think shop owners should be required to design anything the customer wants.
    Until a customer demands that an unwilling business owner sell a good or service with a conservative socio political view point- then the tune changes.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is not the same thing at all and I think you know that. If a gay couple came into the bakery to buy baked goods they wouldn't be turned away.

    This is a specific kind of cake that the baker was unwilling to make.

    Let's say there is a very liberal bakery in a town where there is a mayoral election. The Baker really likes the Democratic candidate and supports them through the election cycle. On election day the Conservative Republican Tea Party candidate wins the election.. if the Tea Party candidate calls the bakery to order a cake for the inauguration, would you force the bakery to bake them a cake?


    It is the same thing. A business that holds out to the public cannot discriminate on the basis of race or religion, and many states add sexual orientation to that list. "Oh, I just didn't want to make a wedding cake for an interracial wedding!" Same exact thing.

    Political party affiliation is also a protected classification (regarding public accommodation laws) in some states, I believe. Will have to google that.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I go back to the question I asked: Would you force a baker to bake a cake for a Tea Party group when the baker objects to everything the tea party stands for? Would you require that the baker submit a quarterly report to the government of all sales to ensure they properly served the Tea Party residents? Would you send the bakery staff to rehab to cure them of their objection to the Tea Party?
    Being in the Tea Party is not something that is protected. A person chooses to be in the Tea Party. The same with the Democrats. Or some environmental group. You are choosing that. People do not choose to be gay or to fall in love with someone who is black, white, man, woman, atheist, Catholic, Jewish, Wiccan, tall, short, etc. I think they should have to serve the group, but the law doesn't cover them.

    No one has said anything about sending any bakery or business staff to "rehab to cure them" of any objections, not by government mandate. Heck, no one is forcing any bakery to show that they have served every protected group. No business has to do that. That is ridiculous.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This goes back to the famous old claim: "I can't believe Nixon won, nobody I know voted for him."

    Given that the Military is now geared towards reprimanding those who object to the repeal I would guess there are a lot of people you know in the military who aren;t willing to tell you what they really think, and your personal experience doesn't come close to the 17,000 service men and women surveyed.
    I'm still calling bull. I've actually been in. I know how it is. That one guy we had who made any sort of noise against gay personnel serving with us couldn't even articulate why it would matter. We go out sure, but we have individual stalls for most things and we brought up the point that gays have always been there. If they were going to look at you naked, they were going to do that whether they told you they were gay beforehand or not.

    My experience is pretty similar to the vast majority of those who served. Even most of those that were surveyed said there wasn't any issues with morale. The rest need to provide specifics for what issues they saw otherwise it is just plain them complaining to me.
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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    You misunderstood my use of the word "catering". I meant it in terms of submitting to the desires of a small group of people who want to do something.

    But accommodations would have to be made. When women were integrated into the service separate facilities needed to be built and new organizational structures put in place to deal with woman specific issues (like women's health issues).

    I have no idea what changes might be needed to integrate transgendered people into the military but military service today is not an obligation, nor is it a right. Given that the benefit from having transgendered people in the service - in terms of broadened candidate pool or some specific benefit that only transgendered people can bring to the table - has to outweigh the cost of integrating or the money is simply not well spent.
    Probably a net increase in female uniforms.

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    Re: Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Study: Military is ready for transgender troops

    So more Generals signing on that the military should remove the transgender ban. What do you guys think? Should transgender troops be allowed to serve openly in the US Military.

    You've got to be kidding. That's just so weird.
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