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ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

Fearandloathing said:
Let's see.

ISIS rolls across the east and north of Syria and Iraq, capturing cities and recruiting the populace in a local brand of "regime change."

An American free-lance journalist is beheaded. Unlike the assassination of a sitting Ambassador in Benghazi, the Obama administration [with a city in siege] determines this atrocity must be met with air raids and drone attacks.

Result" ISIS takes US citizen hostage and demands a whopping $3,000,000,000.

Yep, Obama's middle east policy is working....sure has ISIS on the run.
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Contrary to the underlying assumptions of many in the West, the hard core Islamic radicals uniformly hold two things as tangible, unwavering truths:

1) There is nothing to fear from death

2) Killing Infidels makes their death even more fun

What they try to accomplish with this blood soaked immortality here on Earth differs between Islamic sects, but the practical outcome for the the West is that these animals can not be negotiated with and the only solution is to kill enough of them to get the rest to question their faith. It is quicker to kill them in ways that they believe deny them immortality but, under superior firepower and outclassed at every turn on the ground, eventually all Islamic radical movements start to doubt if Allah is really on their side.

The only real positive outcome of ISIS at this point is Saudi Arabia announced a few days ago that the road ahead for the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is to recognize the state of Israel and open diplomatic communication. I think maybe the Saudis did a quick compare contrast between Israel and ISIS and realized they have a better future with Israel.
 
VanceMack said:
You have this incessant need to BE partisan in everything you do.

I have supported every decision Obama has made when he did them, even if I didnt necessarily agree with him. Once the CiC involves troops or the military in any capacity, he has my support. Ive been that guy over there. I have kids that are those guys today. I supported Obamas decision to use air attacks against ISIS. I support his decision to use drone strikes against terrorists and even expand their ops.

I said here that I understand the tough spot he was in and I support the presidents Bergdahl decision. I still think Bergdahl should be investigated but I support Obamas decision.

So...do us both a favor and take your constant whining partisan bull**** elsewhere or point to where I have been critical of an actual decision Obama has made to engage our enemies.
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Partisan! Which party do you see me support??
 
Kal'Stang said:
This is a simplistic view of all the problems that we face today. And partisan. The problems that we are facing today is the result of several POTUS's, not just one.



1: That isn't why we invaded Iraq.

2: You tried to blame the fact that there were terrorists that were basically fighting the US due to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. If that were true then we wouldn't have had 9/11 happen until after those wars started.
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There was a prior invasion of Iraq. Do you recall OBL's open letter articulating the very reasons why he attacked on 9/11?????
 
stonewall50 said:
"Sadly" we can't play by their rules. Because that would work.
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There are no rules. There are only things that are more or less effective. If dealing with a group that only understands violence, then using violence against that group is called for. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
 
polgara said:
They've gotten so used to saying everything is Bush's fault, even after years of Obama, that they just can't help themselves? What I do remember is Obama arguing with the G8 in 2009/2010 that they should be spending more money - not less. I remember the other countries politely disagreeing but saying they would do as they saw fit, and he should do the same. So trillions have now been added to our debt, bringing it to over $17 trillion. What did all that spending gain us - there are now nearly 48 million people on food stamps, and heaven knows how many on other government assistance programs; a lack of well-paying jobs; an unemployment number that is still higher than any Bush ever had; crumbling infrastructure; and a public that is angry. No other country in history has owed so much money to so many people as we currently do. So who was correct - Obama or the other G8 countries that decided that a little cutting back on spending was necessary, and followed through?
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Ronny Reagan was the first and only president to triple our nations national debt. In Clintons 8 years, he added less then two trillion. Bush doubled it from 5 to 10 trillion, and Obama's on course to double it again. BUT......our national debt is a bi-partisan effort, don't let anybody tell you different. It's been known by only a few unfortunately, that there's a dime thickness of difference between the two parties. This is why there's so many independents compared with 3-4 decades ago. They just all need to get together, form a party and put the fear of god into the smart ass and the dumb elephant!
 
US Conservative said:
Im pretty sure he said grown, not started. Do you understand the difference?
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Oh, is that suppose to let Bush off the hook? He created the power vacuum in Iraq. Obama created one in Egypt, and one in Libya and he's working on Syria, so yeah he's made it worse to be sure.
 
DA60 said:
Jeez...when will people get it through their heads?

IF YOU ARE AMERICAN DO NOT GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
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Sad thing is, it didn't use to be like that. When I was in grade school in the 60's, I recall many teachers vacationing all over the ME during summer breaks. My wife and I were viewing some pictures the other day of Afghanistan in the late fifties. In one particular photo, there were several women in a library visiting and it looked just like a shot in Americana, they were in dresses, knee length, heels and hair up, with short sleeves and necklaces. A man in the back was in a suit. But the last four decades has blown that up. I'll likely never visit.
 
MMC said:
Hate :roll: .....is that the best deflection you can come up with.....when trying to spin things Juniors way? Did you want to shuffle the tarot cards again? :lol:
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It IS HATE! Can you imagine for a moment if a country infinitely more powerful then us had been bombing us for two decades, killing tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians, with drones patrolling our skies blowing **** up all the time. Perhaps conducting regime change and installing a pro-Middle Eastern government. Jesus Christ, if people don't start figuring this out, we're going to get our asses hurt, and it won't be anything like 9/11.
 
Montecresto said:
The young ladies mother and father would likely have a different opinion.
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It might sound cold, however when somebody goes to a **** hole like Syria they should sign a release form at the airport stating they know they are on their own if something like this happens.

She had no business being there in the first place.
 
PeteEU said:
Officially...

unofficially you do it like everyone else.
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The Obama administration doesn't do anything unofficially.

He couldn't get his back slapped if nobody knows about it.
 
Blue_State said:
I like that statement. The only change I would make is for people who can't follow road signs and end up in Mexico.
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Was that supposed to be funny?
 
MMC said:
The difference being on that word that the Media Keeps bringing up.....that would be the word Reset. When one has to reset his policy 2 and 3 times in each theatre of operations the US has interests in. Shows it for what the real truth is Monte. Which nothing from the past has caused that to take place.


What other President had to reset his policy in every theatre of Operations the US had?
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For Pete's sake! I'm not defending Obama's policy in the ME. He has taken what George Bush broke and made it infinitely worse. Your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that Bush broke anything. Watch, your response to this will be further denial that Bush screwed it up. However, most Americans now recognise that both his wars were a mistake. Perhaps you'll eventually acknowledge it too!
 
Mason66 said:
Was that supposed to be funny?
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Actually, no. If you go backpacking in Iraq...we can't be responsible for your safety. If you make a mistake and end up outside our borders or outside our protection, I think there should be some recourse to help you. But if you decide to take a guided tour in North Korea and you are tried for crimes against the NK...then, you are on your own. We can't be mother henning every person out there.
 
polgara said:
Ohio has become an example of what can happen when an incident like Kent State makes the news. The wise students either left immediately or holed up in their rooms when the National Guard was called in. I later worked with a man who was in that group of Guardsmen, and he talked about how bottles and bricks and bags of feces and urine were being thrown at them. We later learned that hard core professional agitators had been brought in, and they inflamed the students that were protesting the bombing of Cambodia by burning the ROTC building to the ground. Sadly, four students were killed and nine injured - the agitators shrewdly left when tear gas was used to disperse a crowd of about 600 people.. I understand that in 2010, 40 years later, the site was placed on the National Register of Historic places by Obama's Department of Interior, even though questions still remain unanswered.

What a sad legacy for a little town like Kent, Ohio. Like my parents and teachers used to tell us - if you don't want trouble, don't cause trouble, and stay away from those who do cause trouble. Good advice for every area of life, IMO.

Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:.
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Howdy Polgara! Are you saying you're against protests?
 
DA60 said:
Jeez...when will people get it through their heads?

IF YOU ARE AMERICAN DO NOT GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
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Americans have to make themselves feel good by thinking they are helping other people, but in reality not doing anything at all.

What did this woman actually do over there? Why did she think she could make any difference at all?
 
Navy Pride said:
MMC, These tactics will never end........We can not negotiate with terrorists........That is the bottom line.
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First of all, terrorists are both added and removed from the lists according to political expediency. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are mean to civilian populations.
 
Navy Pride said:
You can not negotiate with terrorists.......what part of that do you not understand my left wing friend???
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Left wing??? God damn you don't pay attention do you. Just because he said one thing you don't agree with, he's suddenly left wing! :lamo
 
NonoBadDog said:
I read some of the posts in this thread, more than half and I have to say our country doesn't have the stomach for the solution. Our country doesn't understand the mindset they are dealing with. It is like trying to be nice to them so they will be nice back to us. It makes us look weak.

I say we demand double the ransom and the hostage or we bomb the living **** out of them.
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Oh dear lord! You even got a like on that. :lamo
 
MMC said:
Mornin' Pos. :2wave: Well Al Qaida is currently trying to negotiate the hostages they have. I also think.....they too have a woman.

To pull completely out of the ME.....we would have to have a different mind set when it comes to resources. As well as not ever needing anything from there. Might be feasible if there was never any reason to have interests pertaining to that Region.
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Glad to see your candid admission of the real reason we're in the ME!!!! Yeah, we're making progress now.
 
Blue_State said:
Actually, no. If you go backpacking in Iraq...we can't be responsible for your safety. If you make a mistake and end up outside our borders or outside our protection, I think there should be some recourse to help you. But if you decide to take a guided tour in North Korea and you are tried for crimes against the NK...then, you are on your own. We can't be mother henning every person out there.
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You made reference to a man who brought weapons into Mexico and is now in jail.

Isn't that right?

You are comparing Mexico to the middle east. They are very different.
 
Montecresto said:
For Pete's sake! I'm not defending Obama's policy in the ME. He has taken what George Bush broke and made it infinitely worse. Your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that Bush broke anything. Watch, your response to this will be further denial that Bush screwed it up. However, most Americans now recognise that both his wars were a mistake. Perhaps you'll eventually acknowledge it too!
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What George Bush broke? Try again Monte. ;)


How Reagan’s Mideast Policy Won the Cold War.....


Ronald Reagan’s centenary coincides with the unraveling of Ronald Reagan’s Middle East. The president born February 6, 1911, is most associated with the dramatic end of the Cold War in Europe. But you can make a powerful case that the Cold War was won — not in Europe — but in the Middle East. Four events were decisive. 1. The Reagan administration cemented Egypt, the largest and most important Arab country, into the U.S. alliance system.

Banished from Egypt, the Soviets developed a relationship with the second strongest Arab state, Iraq. On June 7, 1981, Israeli jets smashed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak. The Reagan administration joined the UN condemnation of Israel. Yet the U.S. benefited enormously from the act it condemned. Lacking nuclear weapons, on the defensive in the war it had launched against Iran in September 1980, Iraq was forced into greater economic dependence on the Gulf Arab states aligned with the U.S. — another blow to Soviet influence. 3. Middle East events forced the Soviet Union toward an (ultimately doomed) reconstruction of its economy.....snip~

How Reagan’s Mideast Policy Won the Cold War
 
jmotivator said:
Contrary to the underlying assumptions of many in the West, the hard core Islamic radicals uniformly hold two things as tangible, unwavering truths:

1) There is nothing to fear from death

2) Killing Infidels makes their death even more fun

What they try to accomplish with this blood soaked immortality here on Earth differs between Islamic sects, but the practical outcome for the the West is that these animals can not be negotiated with and the only solution is to kill enough of them to get the rest to question their faith. It is quicker to kill them in ways that they believe deny them immortality but, under superior firepower and outclassed at every turn on the ground, eventually all Islamic radical movements start to doubt if Allah is really on their side.

The only real positive outcome of ISIS at this point is Saudi Arabia announced a few days ago that the road ahead for the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is to recognize the state of Israel and open diplomatic communication. I think maybe the Saudis did a quick compare contrast between Israel and ISIS and realized they have a better future with Israel.
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There is no link there so I have to take it as opinion, and one poorly formed. I seriously doubt the entire nation of Islam is of the faith that "killing infidels" is fun. If you were to read the Koran, and what it calls the faithful to do, you would find that anyone following that religion would not welcome death, but fear it like the rest of us as they too believe in final judgement.

No entire nation can be so crassly and sweepingly identified and judged. Would you dare say that all blacks are criminals, of that all Jews are cheats?

Same bigoted, racial stereo-typing; you have been taught to hate all Muslims in the xenophobic propaganda campaign following 911.
 
Montecresto said:
Left wing??? God damn you don't pay attention do you. Just because he said one thing you don't agree with, he's suddenly left wing! :lamo
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This is Navy Pride. To him, everyone is left wing.
 
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