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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What they choose to do with their natural resources is their business, not yours. We have no say whatsoever.
    How many ways must I phrase it that its my opinion that the natural resources in the Middle East belong to the citizens thereof, before you understand that you and I agree??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I figured that to be your position. Glad that you have zero influence on American policy.
    What would you do about this woman? American family reveals their 26-year-old daughter is being held captive in Syria

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How many ways must I phrase it that its my opinion that the natural resources in the Middle East belong to the citizens thereof, before you understand that you and I agree??
    You're welcome to your opinion. That and $10 will get you a latte at Starbucks. Whether it belongs to the citizens or not is up to the people of the Middle East to decide, your opinion and my opinion and everyone in the west's opinion means squat.
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Cephus!?!? Did you read what Grant said to me? It's his position that the ME's oil belongs to the world. I was pointing out his position in my post you quoted. I believe that the ME oil belongs to the citizens of the ME and they should nationalise it and enjoy the proceeds.
    Huh??? Where did i say that?

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What do we have to do about her? She went to Syria of her own accord. How is that the responsibility of the United States government?
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're welcome to your opinion. That and $10 will get you a latte at Starbucks. Whether it belongs to the citizens or not is up to the people of the Middle East to decide, your opinion and my opinion and everyone in the west's opinion means squat.
    Uh, sure ok dude.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Um... no. Not any more than America's natural resources belong to the world. It's their oil, they get to decide what to do with it. Where did you get that idiotic idea anyhow?
    Looks like you have an opinion right here. And you and I agree. But you misread my post and have been arguing falsely ever since.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Pay the ransom? Idoicy.

    Pay the ransom, the girl is released...and ISIS kidnaps more Americans because apparently it's a profitable venture. America is seen as spineless and can be easily bullied into paying ransom for citizens.
    They will continue to try and kidnap Americans regardless. It is a propaganda coup to kidnap an American whether they are used for ransom or execution. It is simplistic to assume that this really has an impact on their calculus. We have paid ransoms for decades to these sorts of groups. Sometimes they ransom them, sometimes they exchange them, sometimes they just execute them or have we already forgotten Foley and Daniel Pearl? Saving life should be a priority in these cases, not pointless posturing.

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What do we have to do about her? She went to Syria of her own accord. How is that the responsibility of the United States government?
    The United States has always taken an interest in the affairs of its citizens abroad. We have routinely (from the time of Washington onward) engaged in financial, political, or military dealings for the sake of protecting, saving, or ameliorating the difficulties of our citizens around the world. I think this is a principle we should retain.

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Uh, sure ok dude.
    When it comes to another culture, we have to understand that our opinions mean nothing. It means about as much to them as my opinion about what you should have for lunch means to you. That's something they get to decide for themselves, using whatever criteria they decide to use. They have, or at least ought to have, the right to self determination. However, the United States has stuffed our nose in their business for so long, we've pushed them to become a western-style democracy, to do what we want them to do, we've spent so much time ordering the planet around because we've got a big dick and we want to swing it, we've lost the realization that it's their nation and their culture to do with as they choose, so long as they don't go around and attack us and involve us in their mess.

    What the Middle East wants to do with their oil is up to them. Our desires don't amount to a hill of beans. We have no claim whatsoever on their natural resources.
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