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ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

There are no rules. There are only things that are more or less effective. If dealing with a group that only understands violence, then using violence against that group is called for. You can't reason with the unreasonable.

Sigh...

But the ultimate objective is to NOT create more of these guys. Our involvement creates more. And the more innocents we kill...the more terrorists we make. Violence begets violence.

But...surgical strikes. Killing the leaders? Taking away their money. That cripples them. Honestly...if we hired thieves to take away their money it would likely be more effective, because without money...they cannot pay for bullets or food.
 
Sigh...

But the ultimate objective is to NOT create more of these guys. Our involvement creates more. And the more innocents we kill...the more terrorists we make. Violence begets violence.

But...surgical strikes. Killing the leaders? Taking away their money. That cripples them. Honestly...if we hired thieves to take away their money it would likely be more effective, because without money...they cannot pay for bullets or food.

I agree. However, you can't magically undo what's already been done. Now you have a huge group of people who are not only willing to kill Americans, just because they're Americans, you have people who are utter fanatics about it, backed by a particular reading of a particular religion. Now yes, if you can get a group of hackers out there who will deplete their bank accounts, that would be effective but it wouldn't stop them from pulling guns on Americans, especially since they'd just be after money from kidnapping.

I think we're beyond the point of being able to back out. We've created fanatics. They are not going to calm down. They are not going to go away no matter what we do. They are beyond reason. They don't want us to go away, they want us to die. There needs to be another solution and, like it or not, maybe wiping them all out may be the only solution we have available. Ignoring them, pretending they're not there, letting them get away with murder, that's not going to stop them. That time is past.
 
Sigh...

But the ultimate objective is to NOT create more of these guys. Our involvement creates more. And the more innocents we kill...the more terrorists we make. Violence begets violence.

But...surgical strikes. Killing the leaders? Taking away their money. That cripples them. Honestly...if we hired thieves to take away their money it would likely be more effective, because without money...they cannot pay for bullets or food.

I am sorry but your post seems odd to me.

This is a criminal group and if they have no money they can't get their hands on bullets or food?

Don't you think they will take it from who has it rather than say "We have no money so we are out of business?"
 
I don't mean to be insensitive to this woman's family, BUT, sorry, no deal. I don't care what you travel to these hot places for, you should only go with the knowledge that if you get kidnapped, you're on your own.

Tim-

I know this may come as a shock to some of you but people who make decisions to go to Countries like this in a humanitarian role are already fully aware of the risks involved. They don't just wake up one day and decide to travel there without having an interest in the area, studying it and being prepared. They know what the consequences could be and that for all intents and purposes they are on their own. The don't go there "hoping" to die of course, but they do understand that there are certain risks involved and even if you take all necessary precautions to stay safe it's not guranteed that you will.

They dont go there expecting someone to "save their ass". They know the risks involved and if they weren't prepared for the consequences they wouldn't go.
 
I am sorry but your post seems odd to me.

This is a criminal group and if they have no money they can't get their hands on bullets or food?

Don't you think they will take it from who has it rather than say "We have no money so we are out of business?"

I understand. But the less money they have...the less effective they are. So they can stay out and fight all they want. But it is pretty hard to fund a conflict against a nation when you can't afford food.
 
I know this may come as a shock to some of you but people who make decisions to go to Countries like this in a humanitarian role are already fully aware of the risks involved. They don't just wake up one day and decide to travel there without having an interest in the area, studying it and being prepared. They know what the consequences could be and that for all intents and purposes they are on their own. The don't go there "hoping" to die of course, but they do understand that there are certain risks involved and even if you take all necessary precautions to stay safe it's not guranteed that you will.

They dont go there expecting someone to "save their ass". They know the risks involved and if they weren't prepared for the consequences they wouldn't go.

I agree with that, but what's your opinion on her rescue. Do you think the US should get her home regardless of the means?
 
I understand. But the less money they have...the less effective they are. So they can stay out and fight all they want. But it is pretty hard to fund a conflict against a nation when you can't afford food.
They have a great deal of money, both from robbing banks, for example, and sympathetic (and very wealthy) supporters.
 
I disagree with him too! In fact, I don't agree with anybody that thinks Iraq, Egypt or Libya are better today then they were with Hussein, Mubarak and Gaddafi in place. Nor will Syria be better if we succeed in removing Assad!

Better off today? Of course not. But better off when they made those statements? Certainly.

So the questions is, What happened during the period when it was 'stable' to what we have today? The answer should be clear.
 
Better off today? Of course not. But better off when they made those statements? Certainly.

So the questions is, What happened during the period when it was 'stable' to what we have today? The answer should be clear.

Never better off is the clear answer.
 
Lol! In fact that's not a clear answer at all!

Then its apparent that you are I'll informed of conditions in Libya, Egypt and Iraq. But then that's understandable.
 
Then its apparent that you are I'll informed of conditions in Libya, Egypt and Iraq. But then that's understandable.
That's more nonsense. Do you genuinely not understand what caused the difference in the situation in Iraq when Obama made those statements and what we have today?
 
That's more nonsense. Do you genuinely not understand what caused the difference in the situation in Iraq when Obama made those statements and what we have today?

Along with most people, I realise that US policy of regime change has destabilised the ME and its in flames now. That this has escaped you is bazaar.
 
And this my fellow Americans is why we DON'T give into ransoms.

Yeah, I think Obama's going to put his tail between his legs and yield. Whatever international foreign policy cred he got for going after bin Laden in Pakistan, he squandered with how he handled Syria's chemical weapons and Russia's invations of Ukraine.
 
Yeah, I think Obama's going to put his tail between his legs and yield. Whatever international foreign policy cred he got for going after bin Laden in Pakistan, he squandered with how he handled Syria's chemical weapons and Russia's invations of Ukraine.

I don't think Obama is going to give a ransom to ISIS after they beheaded that journalist was killed.
 
They have a great deal of money, both from robbing banks, for example, and sympathetic (and very wealthy) supporters.

And they also control vast oil fields. Their supporters smuggle crude oil into Syria where it's transported to other countries for processing. They make millions and millions of dollars every single day from quasi-legitimate means.
 
And they also control vast oil fields. Their supporters smuggle crude oil into Syria where it's transported to other countries for processing. They make millions and millions of dollars every single day from quasi-legitimate means.

Yes, exactly! Countries like Kuwait, which Saddam easily ran over, should be very concerned.
 
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